Madden 98 freezes...

Toad22484 · Post by **Toad22484** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:35 am

I was wondering if there was anyway to fix this. Me and a friend are trying to host a season online but it keeps freezing like 2-5 plays into a game.

Hexlord · Post by **Hexlord** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:59 am

I think it is related to some timing bug for the SPC700 sound engine...

Post by **Agozer** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:26 pm

-Nevermind- -_-

Toad22484 · Post by **Toad22484** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:55 am

so, would there be any way to correct this minor problem? thanks for any help btw.

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:25 am

Toad22484 wrote:so, would there be any way to correct this minor problem? thanks for any help btw.

Not at the moment.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:15 pm

Toad22484 wrote:I was wondering if there was anyway to fix this. Me and a friend are trying to host a season online but it keeps freezing like 2-5 plays into a game.

Have you tried it with ZSNES 1.36?

Toad22484 · Post by **Toad22484** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:36 pm

yeah, that one didnt work either though :/. Perhaps i should try back a bit farther.

Toad22484 · Post by **Toad22484** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:34 pm

No luck. guess i wait for a new release *waits*.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:43 pm

Toad22484 wrote:No luck. guess i wait for a new release *waits*.

You should be aware that if this is timing-related, there is a good chance this may never be fixed in ZSNES. At least, not for a long time.

Post by **pagefault** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:48 pm

Fixed now.

Post by **Agozer** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:59 pm

pagefault wrote:Fixed now.

Heh. Ninja got promptly slapped in the face.

Post by **grinvader** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:49 pm

PF's DMA+HIRQ fix affects a lot of games.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:58 pm

Agozer wrote:
pagefault wrote:Fixed now.
Heh. Ninja got promptly slapped in the face.

Well, I guess it wasn't a timing bug, then.

Is it just me, or does anon CVS lag several hours behind normal CVS?

Dmog · Post by **Dmog** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:33 pm

Agozer wrote:
pagefault wrote:Fixed now.
Heh. Ninja got promptly slapped in the face.

He said "if this is timing related". So I'm not too sure he got "slapped in the face".

At the risk of sounding inpopular, I'll add that: If this is one of those game that used to work in zsnes...then got "broken" at some point...used to work again...then got broken again...then it's no big deal if now it work... aye,again.

Post by **grinvader** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:02 am

Noxious Ninja wrote:Is it just me, or does anon CVS lag several hours behind normal CVS?

Anonymous CVS can be very late behind dev CVS.

ipher · Post by **ipher** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:23 am

5-8 hours is about how long it lags.

Hexlord · Post by **Hexlord** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:01 am

grinvader wrote:PF's DMA+HIRQ fix affects a lot of games.

So .. is it a hack of a sort?

Post by **grinvader** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:24 am

Hexlord wrote:
grinvader wrote:PF's DMA+HIRQ fix affects a lot of games.
So .. is it a hack of a sort?

Absolutely not. The DMA fix is thanks to Overload, who told us that DMA registers were initialized at 0xFF (255) on the real thing instead of 0, the latter causing emu bugs.

The H-IRQ fix also brought zsnes closer to the realsnes behaviour. Along to PF's commit message:

pagefault wrote:Proper behaviour of H-IRQ when V-IRQ is active

So, he increased the emulation accuracy. If this brings up new problems, we'll fix these problems without reverting these enhancements, which means we'll keep on enhancing zsnes. This also means Dmog's dead wrong.
But hey, whatever.

Toad22484 · Post by **Toad22484** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:20 am

So it is fixed? is there a patch i need to download?

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:26 am

I think it'll be included in the next ZSNES version.

Toad22484 · Post by **Toad22484** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:34 am

ah, ok thanks.

Dmog · Post by **Dmog** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:46 pm

grinvader wrote:
Hexlord wrote:
grinvader wrote:PF's DMA+HIRQ fix affects a lot of games.
So .. is it a hack of a sort?
Absolutely not. The DMA fix is thanks to Overload, who told us that DMA registers were initialized at 0xFF (255) on the real thing instead of 0, the latter causing emu bugs.

The H-IRQ fix also brought zsnes closer to the realsnes behaviour. Along to PF's commit message:
pagefault wrote:Proper behaviour of H-IRQ when V-IRQ is active
So, he increased the emulation accuracy. If this brings up new problems, we'll fix these problems without reverting these enhancements, which means we'll keep on enhancing zsnes. This also means Dmog's dead wrong.
But hey, whatever.

Don't you get it? The nay-saying I've been doing lately is merely a cover up. I'm actually using some form of experimental reverse-psychology to speed up the progress of Zsnes

Seriously, I'd love to be proven wrong.

Post by **pagefault** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:16 pm

Well it looks like this bug wasn't fixed after all. But I have found the reason why it hangs now. To put it simply this game exposes a CPU bug in ZSNES so I am currently investigating how I should fix this and proper way to fix it.

Toad22484 · Post by **Toad22484** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:53 am

Not to sound stupid or if anyone has already posted it, but is there a patch that can stop this?

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:51 am

Toad22484 wrote:Not to sound stupid or if anyone has already posted it, but is there a patch that can stop this?

Probably not. Just be patient.

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