Version for 486 100?

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Version for 486 100?

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Would an old DOS based asm version run okay with frameskip on a 486 100? Just for Puzzle Bobble and things. For an old box.

If so, which version? If I'm wasting my time, let me know. I remember trying KGen on a 486 ages ago, and it was a joke. :)
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A 486 100... running on something like MS-DOS 6.22, grab current DOS version, turn off rewinds (config->saves), video 320x240 (maybe 640x480) w/o filters, sound mono & 22050 sampling rate w/o any fancies (except maybe gaussian interpolation, it sounds like ass without).

And don't expect anything fantastic.

Edit: ah, forgot - autoframeskip on, max frameskip 9, of course. Toggle New/Old graphic engine ('8') to see which one is faster for you.
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Post by creaothceann »

A VESA2 mode should be faster than a ModeX/ModeQ setting, right? The card might not support it though.
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i could get somewhat playable framerates without sound under ModeX/Q with some of the pre-1.40 WIPs (on a 486/66), but you might want to try V.600 (or maybe even earlier?) because the older versions were alot faster than the newer ones.
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Post by Sol »

Years n years ago I used to use snes9x on a 486 66, and it worked "alright", so I'm sure you'll do fine with Zsnes.
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Post by darkfalz »

I tried version 0.991 on the system, and I got about 1-3 FPS. Not much improvement by disabling sound, about 4 FPS.

Hard to see why the readme said a 486/100 was a "somewhat recommend system".

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You should definitely get more. :? Are the CPU caches disabled...?
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Post by AntoineWG »

The L1 chache shouldn't be disabled. It is possible that the mobo doesn't have an L2.

What kind of video card is in that thing? ISA? VLB? PCI? Chipset? How VRAM?

You should be getting 15-30 fps with a PCI video card in a low-res VESA 256-color mode with sound, provided you're running it outside of windows.
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darkfalz wrote:I tried version 0.991 on the system, and I got about 1-3 FPS. Not much improvement by disabling sound, about 4 FPS.

Hard to see why the readme said a 486/100 was a "somewhat recommend system".

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Those requirements haven't been updated in years. I'd say a Pentium 200 is a "minimum" system. P3-400 recommended, fast Athlon XP or Pentium 4 if you want to use HQxX filters.
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darkfalz wrote:I tried version 0.991 on the system, and I got about 1-3 FPS. Not much improvement by disabling sound, about 4 FPS.

Hard to see why the readme said a 486/100 was a "somewhat recommend system".

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Those requirements haven't been updated in years. I'd say a Pentium 200 is a "minimum" system. P3-400 recommended, fast Athlon XP or Pentium 4 if you want to use HQxX filters.
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Post by xamenus »

So the minimum requirements are different now? I thought we agreed in this thread that the current requirements in the readme are good.
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Post by Nach »

darkfalz:
Try ZSNES v0.800 good compat and speed.
Use vesa2 320x240 16b.

As for the current version, I don't think 4x86 100 will cut it. P133 is probably minimum.
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Post by Shinrin »

Don't use Vesa mode on a 486 that will really reduce your FPS yeah the transparentcies are nice, but if you want more speed you need to have them off. i'm trying to remember what settings i had for zsnes back then.. though my memory is off. but i remember that i had to not use vesa on a 486.
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Post by darkfalz »

Yes this 486 has no L2 cache, but it doesn't seem to affect games and Windows 95 that much. I get about the same performance as I did way back in the day on a similar system with an L2 cache (I still remember benchmarks, for some reason).

I expected more than 1-3 FPS in ZSNES. Maybe I will try another version.
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what type of video you using on that 486. I hope it ain't ISA.
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darkfalz wrote:Yes this 486 has no L2 cache, but it doesn't seem to affect games and Windows 95 that much. I get about the same performance as I did way back in the day on a similar system with an L2 cache (I still remember benchmarks, for some reason).

I expected more than 1-3 FPS in ZSNES. Maybe I will try another version.
L2 cache typically effects performance massively.

I had a pentium-class system with bad cache. The cache made a difference between 10-20 fps and 40 to full speed.

Anyway, with a 486 100, I'd expect about 9 at the absolute peak. With a ISA-bus video card, maybe 1
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I used to run ZSNES playably on an AMD 486/DX4-100 with EDO memory (yes it did actually support EDO, but that doesn't make that big of a difference on a 486) and a PCI ViRGE video card. That board did have the 16kb L1 and I believe 256kb L2cache. It ran surprisingly well, around 20-30 fps, in 8-bit color with low resolution sound. I think I was using VESA display modes, but it's been quite a while since I've run on that setup, around version .7a. That setup benchmarked at the same performance as a P60 with no overclocking. Now that mobo runs a 160 MHz 486 that clocks around a P90!

An ISA video card and/or lack of L2 cache is a major bottleneck. I wouldn't expect anything playable out of your current setup. If the current version of ZSNES doesn't work, try something pre-1.0, but it probably won't make much of a difference. On a 486, you absolutely need an L2 cache and a VLB or PCI video card to get anything near playable.
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Ah, old copmputers.
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Post by Baldho »

I Used 0.800 on my am486 16MB Ram with VLB graphic. I got a reasonable amount a FPS but.. not enough for me to be happy.

You will definately want to run it in Pure DOS.
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AntoineWG wrote:I used to run ZSNES playably on an AMD 486/DX4-100 with EDO memory (yes it did actually support EDO, but that doesn't make that big of a difference on a 486) and a PCI ViRGE video card. That board did have the 16kb L1 and I believe 256kb L2cache. It ran surprisingly well, around 20-30 fps, in 8-bit color with low resolution sound. I think I was using VESA display modes, but it's been quite a while since I've run on that setup, around version .7a. That setup benchmarked at the same performance as a P60 with no overclocking. Now that mobo runs a 160 MHz 486 that clocks around a P90!

An ISA video card and/or lack of L2 cache is a major bottleneck. I wouldn't expect anything playable out of your current setup. If the current version of ZSNES doesn't work, try something pre-1.0, but it probably won't make much of a difference. On a 486, you absolutely need an L2 cache and a VLB or PCI video card to get anything near playable.
That sounds about right. Cept I never had a vesa compliant card. So all I could use modeq or whatever the hell it was.
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Post by MonkeyforaHead »

Heh, I wonder how my 486 (33 MHz, 8 MB RAM) would handle Zsnes. But at the moment I can't be bothered digging it up to check. :P
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MonkeyforaHead wrote:Heh, I wonder how my 486 (33 MHz, 8 MB RAM) would handle Zsnes. But at the moment I can't be bothered digging it up to check. :P
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Post by Shinrin »

MonkeyforaHead wrote:Heh, I wonder how my 486 (33 MHz, 8 MB RAM) would handle Zsnes. But at the moment I can't be bothered digging it up to check. :P
i don't know about 33mhz, but it goes crappy on a 40mhz computer.. so.. i guess it will be more crappy.
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Re: Version for 486 100?

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I just tried ZSNES on my 486 as per grinvader's advise and it runs like shit! WTF?!
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Cooljerk wrote:I just tried ZSNES on my 486 as per grinvader's advise and it runs like shit! WTF?!
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And don't expect anything fantastic.
Also way to go with the necromancy, this thread is over seven years old.
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