PSX burning help

[Dartagnan]

First of all, if this is in the wrong area (or is against the boards rules) then I apologize. I have recently gotten into the PSX console, and decided to buy one, get a mod-chip (took me a while to find a place to sell those little buggers) and play back-ups and what-not. I have acquired a few games so far, and they are all in various formats. I was a little taken aback when I saw this, and am now quite confused. For example, Final fantasy tactics came in .CCD, .IMG, and .SUB. Would anyone know how to burn this. Should i just burn them straight up? Same goes for Ogre battle (and a handful of others), it comes in a .BIN, and .CUE. I would really appreciate any help.
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-Sewercake

[blackmyst]

They're all different names and formats for the same thing, namely CD images (the smaller files are all cue sheets in different formats I think, but you don't really have to know the specifics). You don't put them on the disk as a file or something, instead you choose the "burn image" option (it'll be called something like that) in whichever application you're using. A decent burning app will allow you to load any one of those files (it'll usually be the smaller cue or ccd file you need to select), click and away you go. That's all you have to do, maybe tweak some burning options here and there, but I've never really noticed any difference for PSX games, thb.

[Dartagnan]

Thank you very much, that's a HUGE relief.
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-Sewercake

[adventure_of_link]

It's also recommended (in this case anyway) to pick up DAEMON Tools. After that, use that to mount the CD image, then open Nero (or Alcohol 120), use the disk copy option, and point the source drive to your DAEMON drive.

I'd honestly recommend using DAEMON Tools if you pickup disk images in *.ccd, *.nrg, *.mds/*.mdf, or bin/cue format. (Although you can burn mds/mdf images in Alcohol and nrg in nero, eh.)

[Dartagnan]

First of all, thank you link, I will try that out with the next game I burn. I went and got CloneCD, and chose the write option. I then found the .IMG, but that was all that showed up, no others. I decided to try it anyways. I chose the file (in this case FFVII disk 1) and then found they had a game option. I burnt it (4x speed) and tried it out in ePSXe, it worked fine. Does this mean it will work on an original system? I am still a little bit on edge, either I got it to work perfectly, or wasted 3 cds . If I have any more troubles, I'll probably ask you guys again .
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-Sewercake

[adventure_of_link]

Personally I would burn PSone CDs at 2x, as that's the designed read speed. (Kind of like that thing where you burn DVDs at 1 or 2x so it will work in the player, also I forgot if I either used 8 or 16x on a PSone disk, it's been awhile since I copied PSone disks)

and for it to work on the original console, you need a modchip. however I've heard of the swapdisk trick to work on the small PSones (yeah you insert a penny or something in the button which makes the spindle spin, insert a legit PSone disk, start er up, then when the disk spins faster you replace the legit disk with the copy) but I can't verify that as my small PSone came modded

also with Nero it always auto detected the PSone disk format and made good copies every time.

[Dartagnan]

Yes, i am well aware of the modchip, it took me quite while to find ANYWHERE that sells them. I'm hoping I can saulder it, considering I haven't touched one in about 6 months (some jackass decided to unplug it, and give it to me 10 seconds afterwards, and me not thinking, picked it up on the metal area). From now on I'll go at 2x. just heard around 4x was the best. One more small question, can anyone recommend any games? Looking mainly for a nice solid fighter.
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-Sewercake

[adventure_of_link]

Oh, I misread your post, sorry.

but yeah, if it runs in ePSXe, chances are it will run on a modded PSone.

[blackmyst]

Personally I would burn PSone CDs at 2x, as that's the designed read speed. (Kind of like that thing where you burn DVDs at 1 or 2x so it will work in the player, also I forgot if I either used 8 or 16x on a PSone disk, it's been awhile since I copied PSone disks)

I don't really know where this rumor came from, it seems kind of silly to me. I used to burn PSX games at 52x (yes, 52) and they worked perfectly fine.


I'd also like to know why you would want to do the whole mounting in deamon tools then copying the disk thing. It seems like an extra unnecessary step.

[corronchilejano]

If you have any trouble burning any type of image, use this:
http://www.imgburn.com/

[adventure_of_link]

I'd also like to know why you would want to do the whole mounting in deamon tools then copying the disk thing. It seems like an extra unnecessary step.

In case he somehow stumbles onto a bin/cue image and he's only got Nero for burning software?

(or perhaps mds/mdf is fine here too)

or perhaps he's got all nrg images and he only has Alcohol 120?

[Snark]

Personally I would burn PSone CDs at 2x, as that's the designed read speed. (Kind of like that thing where you burn DVDs at 1 or 2x so it will work in the player, also I forgot if I either used 8 or 16x on a PSone disk, it's been awhile since I copied PSone disks)

I don't really know where this rumor came from, it seems kind of silly to me. I used to burn PSX games at 52x (yes, 52) and they worked perfectly fine.

Also, afaik the extreme majority of recent burners WON'T be able to burn at 2x. Slowest I can get is x8.

[paulguy]

You burn at slower speeds because it typically burns "darker" on the disc.

If you aren't sure about soldering, you'd better get someone else to do it for you.

And, any kind of speed limitations sound like dumb driver/software limitations. There's nothing stopping a drive from burning at a slower speed and in some cases is a requirement (slow/loaded down computer).

[blackmyst]

I'd also like to know why you would want to do the whole mounting in deamon tools then copying the disk thing. It seems like an extra unnecessary step.

In case he somehow stumbles onto a bin/cue image and he's only got Nero for burning software?

(or perhaps mds/mdf is fine here too)

or perhaps he's got all nrg images and he only has Alcohol 120?

Well if you read his post he mentioned that he has CloneCD, but either way, you should clarify the reason instead of just telling him to do this "because". And even then, he'd be better off finding a program that will load the format he wants, because I wouldn't trust doing it like that (in fact, I vaguely remember wasting a disk that way, many years ago, then trying it the "normal" method afterwards which worked fine).

You burn at slower speeds because it typically burns "darker" on the disc.

While that sounds logical, I have a very old model PSX with a very, very old modchip, and 52x burned disks work without any hiccups whatsoever. Somehow I suspect you won't be able to find any evidence that it in fact matters at all.

[Snark]

You burn at slower speeds because it typically burns "darker" on the disc.

That's true, well at least that's what I read and it does makes sense. But like blackmyst wrote, it remains to be proven it it really makes a difference as far as PS1 is concerned.

While that sounds logical, I have a very old model PSX with a very, very old modchip, and 52x burned disks work without any hiccups whatsoever. Somehow I suspect you won't be able to find any evidence that it in fact matters at all.

Likewise, except I have a slimline model or whatever it's called. edit: "PSone" that's right..."roll"

And, any kind of speed limitations sound like dumb driver/software limitations. There's nothing stopping a drive from burning at a slower speed and in some cases is a requirement (slow/loaded down computer).

Oh. I guess I always assumed that it sorta worked like multipliers. Where: 1x/2x/4x became 4x/8x/16x and so on. I'll check it I can find a way to burn at slower speed just for the heck of it.

[Dartagnan]

Again, thanks for the help, this thread has definately cleared some issues up. I have played a little into FFVII on ePSXe, and again, its fine. I'll be getting the physical system in a couple weeks, just need then just need to get modchip. About the soldering, I have a father that can help, but I am pretty confident I can do it myself.
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-D'artagnan

[I.S.T.]

If you don't want to do the soldering, you can use a swap trick instead. The main problem with those is occasionally they don't work or sometimes the game loads slower than normal.

As for the disc speed burning issue, some PS1s can run discs burned at 52X/whatever insane speed. However, that's rare. A slower speed is just safer, no questions asked.

[Gospel]

I've always heard that burning discs at their rated speed produces a better burn than just burning at the lowest possible, i.e. burning a 4x DVD at 4x instead of 2x.

[I.S.T.]

That would be incorrect. In the end, the best discs come from good burners(Which are surprisingly cheap.) and the best blanks. Errors are less likely to happen at slower speeds, but there's not a very big difference.

PSone burning is a different issue due to the lack of error correction on the PSone's drive. Unless you have a burner that has very low error rates and rather good media, it's best to burn at slow rates. Also, as I said earlier, some PSone's work better with high speed disc than others.