What browser do you use?

Cecil · Post by **Cecil** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:29 pm

I use Firefox, for most of the many reasons listed above.

Johnson wrote:Firefox... once you learn to whore the middle mouse button (or scrollwheel) to launch links in new tabs/close tabs, you'll wonder how you lived without it.

I use that feature extensively. The only time I use IE is for Windows Update.

xaimus · Post by **xaimus** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:50 pm

I use Konqueror for general browsing.

Noxious Ninja wrote:KHTML is a good engine, but there needs to be a seperate, specialized app for web browsing instead of having everything integrated in with the file manager. It's convenient sometimes, but other times it makes me scream. It also needs some sort of extension mechanism, and the equivalent of AdBlock and the Web Developer Toolbar, at the very least.

Konqueror is more of a host for KParts than anything else.

Miyomei · Post by **Miyomei** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:28 pm

My browser usage has been basically like this over time:

Netscape -> IE -> Opera (very short period) -> Firefox

Mark7 wrote:I don't use IE, because it's from Microsoft. Nuff said.

That's stupid.

Johnson · Post by **Johnson** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:31 pm

Miyomei wrote:That's stupid.

Right, because Microsoft products have been known to have few to no bugs, and any bugs that are found are patched right away.

Note: They recently offered the US government bug fixes a MONTH before the general public. Either a) they don't care about the average consumer, or b) they're mad that the government is switching alot of their computers over to *nix based systems.

Starman Ghost · Post by **Starman Ghost** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:49 pm

I'll bet if Firefox was in IE's place, that being what the majority of people use, just as many bugs and holes would appear. It all depends on what everyone else uses.

soulmata · Post by **soulmata** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:21 am

You are wrong, Megabyte. And here's why:

All browsers EXCEPT IE do not employ ActiveX (some can be modified but this is an advanced user 3rd party unsupported configuration) nor do they share components with Explorer, the system shell for Windows. What does this mean? It means the following:

1) Any vulnerability in IE has the potential to compromise the entire system.
2) Components damaged via IE can render the system itself damaged
3) It is impossible to remove IE from Windows (completely)
4) It is possible for IE to execute any and all ActiveX content regardless of source

IE's biggest 2 problems are ActiveX and Explorer integration. This was a bad idea from the start, an insecure idea from the start, and IE will continue to be an inherently insecure browser until these issues are addressed.

What would this have to do with Firefox assuming the roles were reversed?

Firefox, akin to Opera, Mozilla, et cetera, is a standalone, modular browser designed from the start to fix many problems and quirks with browsers past. It was designed to provide various security protections and to be easy to upgrade. Being open source, exploits are no longer a hush-hush subject. Remember mid 2004? IE exploits that had been around for over a year were still present and weren't patched until SP2 and beyond. The rollovertime for IE is far greater than Firefox despite the 90+% marketshare it has.

Firefox would not be in the same position IE is in now had it been the most popular browser. Would more flaws have been found? Of course. And they would have been corrected. However, a majority of the flaws that exist in IE simply cannot exist in Firefox because of the aforementioned reasons.

Vault Dweller · Post by **Vault Dweller** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:22 am

Firefox, because I hate popups.

Paul Bunyan · Post by **Paul Bunyan** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:41 am

Firefox because Adblock pwns.

DarkDragoon · Post by **DarkDragoon** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:02 am

Noxious Ninja wrote:
Johnson wrote:Firefox... once you learn to whore the middle mouse button (or scrollwheel) to launch links in new tabs/close tabs, you'll wonder how you lived without it.

And because about:config > you.
OT, but I love your avatar. where is that from?

It's Lyn from Fire Emblem 1 US (Rekka no Ken).

As for the topic, Firefox, primarily for most of the reasons everybody else stated.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:17 am

I think having an HTML renderer which can be integrated into the shell is a good thing. THe problem is, well, ActiveX and IE's braindead security problems.

AntoineWG · Post by **AntoineWG** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:04 am

OK, fine, having an HTML rendering engine integrated into the shell may have its advantages, but having a separate one for web browsing is also a good thing. I've had explorer (the windows shell) crash on me on multiple occaisions and all my IE windows I had open mysteriously vanish as my desktop reloads. Since I started using Mozilla as my main browser, explorer still crashes but my windows stay open. Yeah, my hard drive needs a good formatting but I haven't had the time to do it lately.

xaimus · Post by **xaimus** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:16 am

KParts and Konqueror are neat like that

one konqueror instance may explode

but evertyhing else stil lives;l

Lizking · Post by **Lizking** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:16 am

AntoineWG wrote:I've had explorer (the windows shell) crash on me on multiple occaisions and all my IE windows I had open mysteriously vanish as my desktop reloads.

well, Mozilla has that problem too. If one instance of it gets goatse'd, then all instances of mozilla die.

Aerdan · Post by **Aerdan** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:22 am

Firefox. Mozilla takes too long to emerge, and there is *no way* I am emerging KDE for something so minor as a browser...especially since I hate Konqueror.

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:37 pm

Lizking wrote:
AntoineWG wrote:I've had explorer (the windows shell) crash on me on multiple occaisions and all my IE windows I had open mysteriously vanish as my desktop reloads.
well, Mozilla has that problem too. If one instance of it gets goatse'd, then all instances of mozilla die.

Yeah.. I read in one of the what's new logs for 1.7.x that they had supposedly fixed that and one tab could crash and not take down the broswer. However, still with the latest 1.7.5, one tab crash takes down everything. It will certainly be nice if they can properly fix that.

kieran_ · Post by **kieran_** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:03 pm

Nightcrawler wrote:
Lizking wrote:
AntoineWG wrote:I've had explorer (the windows shell) crash on me on multiple occaisions and all my IE windows I had open mysteriously vanish as my desktop reloads.
well, Mozilla has that problem too. If one instance of it gets goatse'd, then all instances of mozilla die.
Yeah.. I read in one of the what's new logs for 1.7.x that they had supposedly fixed that and one tab could crash and not take down the broswer. However, still with the latest 1.7.5, one tab crash takes down everything. It will certainly be nice if they can properly fix that.

Another thing that I have noticed is that when Mozilla crashes, the next time you staart up the program, the cache will get deleted.

Clements · Post by **Clements** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:18 pm

Slight tangent (as I always seem to do) - IE7 (codenamed Rimjob or something) information leaked, and guess what, tabbed browsing and PNG transparency are included. Surprise, surprise. No prizes for where they got those insanely far-out ideas.

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2 ... 290,00.asp

Post by **Nach** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:31 pm

Lizking wrote:
AntoineWG wrote:I've had explorer (the windows shell) crash on me on multiple occaisions and all my IE windows I had open mysteriously vanish as my desktop reloads.
well, Mozilla has that problem too. If one instance of it gets goatse'd, then all instances of mozilla die.

That's only if the instance that crashed launched the other instances.

kaiser · Post by **kaiser** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:13 pm

Firefox because it is cleaner than IE.

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:50 pm

I guess Mozilla is pretty much dead now. That's unfortunate because I really do like Mozilla better than firefox. Guess I'll have to eventually switch when Mozilla becomes outdated as Firefox will continue to grow and support new features and standards.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:56 pm

Yeah, it's kind of sad. Mozilla 1.8 looks like it might have been worth switching back to.

There are still people working on the SeaMonkey project, but it won't have the official Mozilla name any more.

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:52 pm

Firefox unless IE is needed. I really only use IE...
1) To see how my webpage looks in a widely used browser, for some reason valid html still is renders slightly differnt.
2) www.windowsupdate.com (I don't like the idea of automatic downloading or instalation of updates)
3) Some sites, mainly motherboard vendor's driver downloads are set up kinda funky and dosn't seem to like firefox.

The only thing I somewhat dislike about firefox is I wish you could exclude files by extension from showing up in the download basket. Such as .jpgs, .gifs and other picture formats.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:27 pm

Hey, does anyone know where Firefox stores: your internet Cache, your history records, cookies, etc? I'm asking because I've got this thing called Clean Disk Security, and I can point it to those places where it stores that stuff, and I can fully erase it.

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:38 pm

Type about:config into the location bar

To move the cache add this key:

user_pref("browser.cache.disk.parent_directory", "/tmp/browsercache");

Read this guy:
http://windowssecrets.com/041202/#top1

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:44 pm

Cool, thanks for the information casualsax3.