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Metatron wrote:
BCE/CE is the most retarded thing ever.


Not really, unless you love Christ a lot.

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BCE/CE is the most retarded thing ever.


Not really, unless you love Christ a lot.


No, it almost certainly is.

It was basically a useless renaming so the anti-religious would stop bitchinga nd moaning. It'd be like renaming Christmas "Tree Day"... it's still OBVIOUSLY Christmas.

Plus, the names are a misnomer. Who says that 1 CE is the start of the so-called 'Common Era'? That's even more pompous than a religious name.


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Metatron wrote:
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BCE/CE is the most retarded thing ever.


Not really, unless you love Christ a lot.


No, it almost certainly is.

It was basically a useless renaming so the anti-religious would stop bitchinga nd moaning. It'd be like renaming Christmas "Tree Day"... it's still OBVIOUSLY Christmas.

Plus, the names are a misnomer. Who says that 1 CE is the start of the so-called 'Common Era'? That's even more pompous than a religious name.
Non-christians ARE actually a significant portion of the scientific world, so a bit of compromise never hurt.
And the gregorian calender IS among the most accurate calenders in modern usage.



Additionally, Common Era is believed to have evolved from vulgar era(vulgar in this context referring to non-royals), which has it's first known use in the 1600s, and it's basis in the fact that dates used to be labelled based on years into a given king's reign(AD has a similar origin, with Anno Domini meaning Year of our Lord, and measuring years into Christ's reign as opposed to a mortal king).

The actual term Common Era appears as early as 1715, often interchangeably with Christian Era and Vulgar Era.
It's HARDLY a new term.



Christian Era sees usage to this day, for the record. But you don't see anyone griping about that. Possibly because they see it as easier to say than Anno Domini.
Or maybe just because they don't know CE can stand for Christian Era as well as Common Era and Current Era.


There's also a practical issue in that BC dates are somewhat vague. Officially, there's a period between AD and BC corresponding to Christ's life. This period is often ignored, partially due to the fact that the exact dates of Christ's birth and death are unclear.

Of course, astronomers use a modified calender with no era names at all. They use 0 for 1 BC, -1 for 2 BC, -2 for 3 BC, etc.
It makes the math easier, and is the best from a practicality standpoint.


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i'm not sure he knows that people got along swimmingly without clocks for quite awhile.

Wrong.
I'm just asking how people would go about getting back the same time system as we have now, if all clocks would disappear. I'm not saying that life is impossible without clocks, just asking how people would find the time again, wanting to do so just because.


i'm guessing the same way they already did it

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I don't need a clock. I unfortunately wake up 10 minutes before the alarm naturally nearly every day dead tired for another day at work. :cry:

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Set the alarm ten minutes later? :wink:

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Metatron wrote:
It was basically a useless renaming so the anti-religious would stop bitchinga nd moaning. It'd be like renaming Christmas "Tree Day"... it's still OBVIOUSLY Christmas.

We can pair that up with Fall party. Some people just have too much spare time.

BC/BCE is pretty much used because it's practical and it's been used for some time. Heck, lot's of non-christians use it because of that too. Nobody really gives a damn if it's accurate or not.

PS: The moon cycles are every 28 days, not 30.

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Metatron wrote:
It'd be like renaming Christmas "Tree Day"... it's still OBVIOUSLY Christmas.
Well, here in Sweden (Scandinavia?) we call it Jul (Yule), which has nothing to do with jesus, and as I understand it, a lot of other cultures have old midwinter festivals that are still celebrated but now mashed together with christmas, which only religion/anti-religion nuts care about nowadays.
So you can rename it whatever, and it would still OBVIOUSLY be just a random winter celebration really.

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Did anyone else feel both chocked and stupid finding out how much faster the Earth used to spin just a few hundred million years ago?

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Did anyone else feel both chocked and stupid finding out how much faster the Earth used to spin just a few hundred million years ago?

That's what you get with Earth ME. No rebooting = Speed down.

Are peopel over there in Sweden catholics? What other religions are there? What calendar do they use?

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I don't need a clock. I unfortunately wake up 10 minutes before the alarm naturally nearly every day dead tired for another day at work. :cry:

I'm a consummate sleepwalker. I stopped counting the clocks I killed without switching consciousness on.

Which isn't really good for not being late, but fuck yeah waking up in various clock guts.
Good thing these are cheap...

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Are peopel over there in Sweden catholics? What other religions are there? What calendar do they use?
We're The Atheist Country, fewest religious people / capita in the world :)
On paper, it's a protestant country. And eh, there are all kinds of religions I suppose, I even met a mormon once. I happen to live in the conservative religious part.

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Personally, if all the clocks and computers and stuff dissapeared from the face of the earth, the first thing I'd do is say, "what the fuck?". Then I'd start trying to answer that question.


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... thank you for that?

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For science, 1950 is year zero. That is the year the first organic material was radiocarbon dated. All dates are relative to that year.

Ultimately, who cares when year "zero" is. Year zero in the western calendar was set by scholars during the 1600s on when they thought Christ was born. It turns out they were a few years off. Regardless of the religious connotation, the year numbering system has become the standard around the world, and I see no reason why we shouldn't use it.



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Think he wants to find numbers in the sky...

I've looked , they're not there...

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Year zero in the western calendar was set by scholars during the 1600s on when they thought Christ was born.

AFAIK, the gregorian calendar doesn't have a 'year zero', it just skips it for whatever stupid reason. That alone makes it pretty retarded.

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Johan_H wrote:
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Year zero in the western calendar was set by scholars during the 1600s on when they thought Christ was born.

AFAIK, the gregorian calendar doesn't have a 'year zero', it just skips it for whatever stupid reason. That alone makes it pretty retarded.

Y're right, there's no year 0.
It's based on ye olde englishe calendars that measured yaers into a king's reign.
It just uses years into Christ's reign instead of a mortal king. Or, alternatively, years into the current period. BC is, obviously, years before the current period.

It makes sense, if you look at the historical context.


Just be glad everyone ignores the years between BC and AD. That'd REALLY screw with your head.


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Year Zero's a pretty mediocre Nine Inch Nails album.

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why don't upgrade to "Stardate" as that may useable throught the galaxy, even when the earth no longer existed?


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why don't upgrade to "Stardate" as that may useable throught the galaxy, even when the earth no longer existed?

because then people would giggle every time a date was mentioned.


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Stardates were created as an abstract idea without much thought to actual implementation.

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Wikipedia was created as an abstract idea without much thought to actual implementation.

Fixed. :P


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Wikipedia was created as an abstract idea without much thought to actual implementation.

Fixed. :P

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