UCLA student gets tased for not having his student ID card

[Joe Camacho]

You have good points.

However, there's tons of oh noes! Police brutality and the crowd pleading the officers somehow give the dumbass a right to be stupid!

Yeah, sadly, some people think that they are allowed to do whatever they want as long as they have a crowd that cheers them.

[corronchilejano]

Joe, even though police enforce the law, at certain times it's necesary for them to have a little... ehm... in Spanish the word is "touch". They're dealing with people for chrissakes, this guy hadn't killed, stolen or bombed, so?

Even the other people at the library were surprised. As you can see, in the video, when another guy approaches and asks for the cops badge face to face, the cop tells him to back off.

If the respect you get from others is through fear, don't expect it to last very long.

I repeat, the officers didn't use force from the beginning, hell, he was asked from the place authorties to leave, and looks like he thought that it was ok to DISOBEY them, until the Officers came he tried to leave, but too late! So the officers tried to restrain him and the dude resisted and struggle.

Here, I can even give you an analysis of the situation:
1) He forgot/lost his ID card.
The situations could have been easily prevented by replacing/finding/returning home/dorms for his ID card.

2) He was using installations that required having a ID card.
If he knows he needs and ID card, he could have told the authorities, if he could use them this one time, or return to step 1.

3) He fail a surprise identification inspection.
Oh man, caught! But then again, he should have known that he needed an ID card.

4) He REFUSED to leave when the inspectors told him to do so.
We are getting in trouble, he refused to follow the indications of the local authority even though he had broken an administration/security rule. If he had LEFT in this step, he could have prevented the situation.

5) Tried to leave ONCE he saw the police officers.
Oh? So now that he sees someone that can FORCE him to leave, he tries to run. Not a good idea. Sometimes, when someone runs from a Police Officer is because you have SOMETHING TO HIDE.

6) Fail to comply with the police officer orders.
Ok, so he couldn't run. Logic would say that you should cooperate with the officers, so even if you broke a simple administration/security rule, the restraining procedure would go as calm and safe as it can. But no, he refused. But remember, he already TRIED to ESCAPE, so the police officers are now in a different stance, obviously not a friendly one. If he had complied, he would have prevented the tazing.

7) He struggled.
Resisting a restraining procedure? Man, what? You will only give the officers a blank check to use any method they find adecuate to restrain him. TAZED!

8 ) Once handcuffed, he continued to struggle.
Dude, you are busted, give it a rest, but no! CONTINUE FIGHTING THE MAN! Yeah! It doesn't matter that you placed yourself in this situation yourself! TAZED AGAIN!

THAT in the CASE that he is a student of the university, if he is a student, HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE RULES AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF BREAKING THEM.

IF HE IS NOT, then the university has all the right to remove any person who they find in their property. SPECIALLY when they refuse to leave by themselves, when asked to leave.

The situation escalated to that point because of the decisions of the Dude, not because of the attitude of the authority/police officers. This has NOTHING to do with being a POLICE STATE, or STICKING IT TO THE MAN. This is about a dumb guy that broke a rule and he took some very dumb decisions. Nothing more, nothing less.

You have good points.

However, there's tons of oh noes! Police brutality and the crowd pleading the officers somehow give the dumbass a right to be stupid!

I'm only seeing the part where he gets his butt kicked, where'd you get the rest of that?

[Joe Camacho]

Here you go:

http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

UCPD officers shot a student several times with a Taser inside the Powell Library CLICC computer lab late Tuesday night before taking him into custody.

No university police officers were available to comment further about the incident as of 3 a.m. Wednesday, and no Community Service Officers who were on duty at the time could be reached.

At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.

The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.

It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.

UCPD officers confirmed that the man involved in the incident was a student, but did not give a name or any additional information about his identity.

Video shot from a student's camera phone captured the student yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your fucking abuse of power," while he struggled with the officers.

As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more.

"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.

As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.

Gordy was visibly upset by the incident and said other students were also disturbed.

"It's a shock that something like this can happen at UCLA," she said. "It was unnecessary what they did."

Immediately after the incident, several students began to contact local news outlets, informing them of the incident, and Remesnitsky wrote an e-mail to Interim Chancellor Norman Abrams.

[corronchilejano]

Yep, still looks unnecesary.

[Joe Camacho]

Yep, still looks unnecesary.

Well then, what would you have done in that same situation? Keep in mind that the person refused to follow verbal orders, has already broken a rule and you can even consider that he is "escaping".

[blackmyst]

The slashdot thread on it has some interesting arguments. Joe, might be a good read for you. =p

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/11/21/0438238.shtml

[Deathlike2]

The slashdot thread on it has some interesting arguments. Joe, might be a good read for you. =p

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/11/21/0438238.shtml

As said before... the moment you are unable to produce an ID and fail to leave when asked, you are subjecting yourself to nothing less than police brutality in the worst case scenario. Noone is attempting to justify the brutality, only that this could have been prevented if the person just left when asked. You risk "shit happening" when you refuse to take orders by the police. It's very clear cut.

[zoink]

Yep, still looks unnecesary.

The arrogant little bitch needs an ass whooping. Period.

Oh noes!I was fleeing and he grabbed my ARM!!! POLICE BRUTALITY!! FATALITY!!! BESTIALITY!!!!111on!!1!12

POLICE STATE!!!!

oh, and the retarded vegetarians around him...

ASS WHOOP TO TEH MAYXXXX!

[Joe Camacho]

The slashdot thread on it has some interesting arguments. Joe, might be a good read for you. =p

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/11/21/0438238.shtml

As said before... the moment you are unable to produce an ID and fail to leave when asked, you are subjecting yourself to nothing less than police brutality in the worst case scenario. Noone is attempting to justify the brutality, only that this could have been prevented if the person just left when asked. You risk "shit happening" when you refuse to take orders by the police. It's very clear cut.

And not even the police's orders. The personnel that has the authority in the complex.

So I heard he is going to sue. But because what happened, according to him, is RACISM. Yeah, RACISM.

[Deathlike2]

The slashdot thread on it has some interesting arguments. Joe, might be a good read for you. =p

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/11/21/0438238.shtml

As said before... the moment you are unable to produce an ID and fail to leave when asked, you are subjecting yourself to nothing less than police brutality in the worst case scenario. Noone is attempting to justify the brutality, only that this could have been prevented if the person just left when asked. You risk "shit happening" when you refuse to take orders by the police. It's very clear cut.

And not even the police's orders. The personnel that has the authority in the complex.

So I heard he is going to sue. But because what happened, according to him, is RACISM. Yeah, RACISM.

See, that's why we have stupid lawsuits. It is possible racism factored into the brutality, on the other hand, he was inviting said trouble.

The problem some people fail to understand is that that person had control of the situation, until he refused to the police when asked to leave. You throw away ANY AND ALL control of the situation as soon as you refuse to the police. If the police prevented you from leaving when you agreed to leave, you would have a case... but it doesn't appear anything of the sort has happened. It's like arguing with police who are throwing you out where you live if you refuse to pay the rent. You are completely responsible for your actions when you fail to be take responsibility in the first place. Something that is completely missing in some people's brains.

[bobthebuilder]

I think his refusal to leave is indicative of this not being the first time he has been harassed by employees of the university. After multiple times of being profiled one has the desire to lash back. I have been profiled multiple times at my college and at first it was funny, but after a while it got angering. One day I even got into an altercation with two security guards who were making up some BS rule that I needed to have my ID on me all the time. That is not a rule in the college, but these guys were racially profiling due to my Mediterranean features (I guess all tan and dark haired people are Arab/Muslim).

P.S. I reported the incident to the dean of students and he was very displeased by the actions of these guards.

[Joe Camacho]

I think his refusal to leave is indicative of this not being the first time he has been harassed by employees of the university. After multiple times of being profiled one has the desire to lash back. I have been profiled multiple times at my college and at first it was funny, but after a while it got angering. One day I even got into an altercation with two security guards who were making up some BS rule that I needed to have my ID on me all the time. That is not a rule in the college, but these guys were racially profiling due to my Mediterranean features (I guess all tan and dark haired people are Arab/Muslim).

P.S. I reported the incident to the dean of students and he was very displeased by the actions of these guards.

In this case, you do need the BruinCard to use the computers, things he was using, so he *should* have had his ID Card.

I would understand the desire to lash back, then again, your course of action was a lot wiser, comparing it to struggling with the officers.

As long as he had followed the rules, the "racial profiling" point would have been avoided. Hey, I'll tell you what, if he LEFT, being the only one asked for his BruinCard: The Profiling argument would have worked as a charm, but it's easy to counter; just find another student that had his ID card asked for. If he had shown his card, he could still tell about the profiling, if he was the only one asked for it.

Also, the video can even be misleading. It doesn't show WHY that is happening, if you don't know why, you can surely say that it is Police Brutality. But once you study the whole situation, you can see that the Dude placed himself in that situation.

[soulmata]

lol tazed

[neoblaze]

lol tazed

that's what I said