Vista is out

alexz721 · Post by **alexz721** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:01 am

My computer only takes RDRAM, hence I'm screwed until I replace the motherboard.

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:04 am

I'm not buying this thing. I'm moving my PC to linux next year... and this ain't no bullshit.

I'm tired of XP.

darkbenny · Post by **darkbenny** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:55 am

One of these days I'm going to work up the stones to start using Linux as well.

One of these days !

Cyrus · Post by **Cyrus** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:16 am

alexz721 wrote:My computer only takes RDRAM, hence I'm screwed until I replace the motherboard.

Well it was fast as hell while it lasted, too bad Rambus RAM never really stood a chance considering the price difference between it and standard types RAM. The only thing these days which uses it is the PS3.

As for Vista, screw it, I'll switch when I'm forced to.

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:07 pm

Echoecho wrote:Depends what you mean by "bad". To me something that has that many licensing limitations, and which has no real advantage in using, is bad. Speaking of Aero, I just installed the Beryl manager on a linux system, and it could use some polishing yet, but while using it I think 'Aero who?' Another incentive to want Vista Ultimate edition flushed down the toilet as far as I'm concerned..

I may try to install Beryl today on my Ubuntu system (laptop is using a Radeon Mobility x1300). Any tips?

Neo Kaiser · Post by **Neo Kaiser** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:31 pm

THIS is what worries me the most!

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:59 pm

Neo Kaiser wrote:THIS is what worries me the most!

Actually, this one's good... well, if your an admin

It works like butta, altough there are some weird issues with programs not native to Vista (such as Win95 programs). Most of them don't run.

Speaking of not running, zsnes doesn´t run for me in here... anyone else tested it?

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:41 pm

Tried ZSNES in pre-beta 2 builds, the official beta 2 build, as well as (I believe so anyway) RC1

ZSNES worked fine in all three builds

however anti-vir didn't

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that what's holding me back from Vista would also be:

* DAEMON Tools
* Alcohol 120
* Anti-Vir

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:44 pm

Neo Kaiser wrote:THIS is what worries me the most!

I will need that for my Sister's computer.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:50 pm

Corronchilejano wrote:
Neo Kaiser wrote:THIS is what worries me the most!
Actually, this one's good... well, if your an admin
It works like butta, altough there are some weird issues with programs not native to Vista (such as Win95 programs). Most of them don't run.

Speaking of not running, zsnes doesn´t run for me in here... anyone else tested it?

IIRC, ZSNES does work in Vista. You probably want to compile ZSNES via Zget for better compatibility.

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:46 pm

Beryl is glitchy as fuck, and likes to crash. Aero ftw at the moment. Beryl has an impressive amount of features though. Maybe once I get it all configured and stop fucking with it it'll stop crashing.

Echoecho · Post by **Echoecho** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:42 am

That may be more because of ATI than Beryl. I'm using an nvidia. The only times I've had Beryl crash on me so far is when doing something like trying to run fullscreen zsnes. Even when it doesn't crash, it's a better idea to turn it off when running fullscreen because it screws up vsync while running. It can easily be switched off with the tasktray icon though. Aero doesn't have half the stuff Beryl does, so all it wins is bloat and higher system requirements.

alexz721 · Post by **alexz721** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:55 am

Echoecho wrote:The only times I've had Beryl crash on me so far is when doing something like trying to run fullscreen zsnes.

This just made me laugh.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:47 am

Excuse the cluelessness, but what is beryl?

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:52 am

adventure_of_link wrote:EDIT: Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that what's holding me back from Vista would also be:

* Alcohol 120

It should have Vista support already. Check their home page.

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:02 am

Echoecho wrote:That may be more because of ATI than Beryl. I'm using an nvidia. The only times I've had Beryl crash on me so far is when doing something like trying to run fullscreen zsnes. Even when it doesn't crash, it's a better idea to turn it off when running fullscreen because it screws up vsync while running. It can easily be switched off with the tasktray icon though. Aero doesn't have half the stuff Beryl does, so all it wins is bloat and higher system requirements.

That may be true. I've got it running pretty well now, except that I can't suspend the laptop, which is kind of a major issue. Also, mplayer spawns off screen somewhere in magic land where I can't see it. Otherwise, it's fucking sweet.

AOL, this is beryl:
http://www.beryl-project.org/features.php

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:27 am

thanks casualsax.

it looks a lot like gnome tho.. yet it looks pretty good..

Neo Kaiser · Post by **Neo Kaiser** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:02 am

I want to know if UAC will turn against me because I'm one of those people who want COMPLETE control of my PC. I don't quite understand what UAC really does other than pop up annoying bubbles.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:08 am

more or less, its like the kdesu program for *nix

(it gives you temporary admin access, long enough to run the particular program, nothing more)

BRPXQZME · Post by **BRPXQZME** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:15 pm

kode54 wrote:But really, I am just seeing what I want to see. Next week, I'll throw the whole thing out to install my own hackintosh, because that can probably run my favorite irreplaceable Windows-only software right on the system desktop with Parallels. Or maybe I'll switch to Linux after all, because I hear XGL / Beryl is way prettier than anything out there. If I could just tear myself away from this complete setup that I started two months ago that's finally worn in to my needs.

Maybe I'll try FeebySD 6.x instead next time I'm bored and have the drive space to kill. All of the Open Sauce, significantly less of teh gays.

XGL / Beryl is way more effect-whizzly than anything out there period, but that's not necessarily a good thing / more beautiful / what you want. It's especially good if you want to make your own experimental UI or something (there are plenty of ideas nobody's really worked with yet... particle effects and shattering windows would be pretty sw33t). I will say that the compositing, AIGLX, etc. are what X should have had a long time ago, except that XFree86 kind of held things back for a while, something most Linux guys aren't too proud of. Also, getting graphics drivers working can be a royal pain, as usual. I'm just good at it, but it seems to be hard for a lot of people.

FreeBSD? The BRPXQZME disapproves, but from his contacts he has heard that when they say that the "CURRENT" branch is unstable, they really mean it. So don't make that common mistake, use 5.x or 6.x.

(Me? I'm totally happy with my crappy little lowest-spec-possible MacBook, and there will be no Vista on it, ever, end of story. I have XP solely for Ragnarok Online.)

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:25 pm

adventure_of_link wrote:thanks casualsax.

it looks a lot like gnome tho.. yet it looks pretty good..

It's a window manager for gnome

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:56 pm

casualsax3 wrote:
adventure_of_link wrote:thanks casualsax.

it looks a lot like gnome tho.. yet it looks pretty good..
It's a window manager for gnome

Ah, that explains everything then.

Must emerge.

Post by **badinsults** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:25 pm

If you are going to Linux, I recommend quitting Windows cold turkey. It really forces you to learn the new system. After a couple of months, you realize that there are many things in Linux that cannot be done in Windows (like the easy of installing programs, better file management, etc) that you can't live without.

Echoecho · Post by **Echoecho** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:10 am

Hey if you're some lamer who makes a buck out of other people's misfortune (Windows users), by all means stick with it for your work - it goes without saying, no need to be a snooty teenoid about it. By all means, be a corporate prison bitch, we all gotta eat. But that's hardly what was argued here at the start. Fanboys don't want Vista to do their work, and that is the majority behind the hype behind vista. If you don't agree with this d'nile is not just a river in Egypt.

btw, Beryl works on KDE.

xamenus · Post by **xamenus** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:04 am

badinsults wrote:If you are going to Linux, I recommend quitting Windows cold turkey. It really forces you to learn the new system. After a couple of months, you realize that there are many things in Linux that cannot be done in Windows (like the easy of installing programs, better file management, etc) that you can't live without.

I would love to start learning Linux eventually, but I've never been able to get the Internet to work on it. I don't want to have to keep booting back into Windows just so that I can look up tutorials about Linux on the Internet. I think it's my drivers.