so apparently two neo-nazis made a plot to assassinate obama

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:31 am

http://news.aol.com/article/feds-bust-s ... 1200709641

and they got busted

Gonzo · Post by **Gonzo** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:49 am

Oh yeah, I head about that this morning.

And I say good.
Good they got busted, not good they were trying to kill Obama.

It always amazes me that the Presidents that ended up getting shot were guys like Lincoln and Kennedy, but Bush can run around for eight years without getting shot at.

Oh, and wasn't there some plot to kill Obama about a month ago?

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:33 am

Cigar Face wrote:It always amazes me that the Presidents that ended up getting shot were guys like Lincoln and Kennedy, but Bush can run around for eight years without getting shot at.

Republicans statistically being more trigger-happy gun-owners?

That would at least be my guess.

Gonzo · Post by **Gonzo** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:51 am

creaothceann wrote:
Cigar Face wrote:It always amazes me that the Presidents that ended up getting shot were guys like Lincoln and Kennedy, but Bush can run around for eight years without getting shot at.
Republicans statistically being more trigger-happy gun-owners?

That would at least be my guess.

That's what I was thinking too, but wasn't Regan a republican?

Oh yeah, you should read some of the comments some of the people are leaving in that article.
I hope to god they are Trolls otherwise there are some fucked up people running around the net:

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Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:39 am

Pretty sure I've seen some assassination plots on Bush.

And Lincoln wasn't exactly a popular guy. He started a war no one wanted, then had a massive draft program to keep his army large enough to fight it. There's a reason the Union army had a massive desertion problem.

Ironically... John Wilkes Boothe and Lincoln were on the SAME side when Boothe shot Lincoln.

Lincoln was on the verge of impeachment for his constant vetoing of Congress' reconstruction bills.
Congress was very big on "Those damned rednecks are gonna PAY for that fucking secession nonsense!"and Lincoln was "Umm, guys? Remember I said we were going to war because you can't secede? Reconstruction is for a conquered nation, not an internal rebellion. Besides, shouldn't we be mending bridges instead of actively trying to make this north/south schism even WORSE?"

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:21 am

Cigar Face wrote:Oh, and wasn't there some plot to kill Obama about a month ago?

I think there was this one guy from Florida who threatened to kill Obama.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:21 pm

My dad and I predicted this months ago.

Post by **grinvader** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:58 pm

Everyone dies.

gllt · Post by **gllt** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:34 pm

so apparently, blah blah blah

ZH/Franky · Post by **ZH/Franky** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:38 pm

Apparently, barrack obama is dead. Unfortunately, it's not april fools day.

gllt · Post by **gllt** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:41 pm

Franky wrote:Apparently, barrack obama is dead. Unfortunately, it's not april fools day.

And this is unfortunate BECAUUSSEEE

blackmyst · Post by **blackmyst** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:02 pm

ahaha oh god @ the comments

Johan_H · Post by **Johan_H** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:36 pm

Joe Camacho wrote:My dad and I predicted this months ago.

Didn't everyone? Or in how much detail do you mean?

gllt · Post by **gllt** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:11 pm

Johan_H wrote:
Joe Camacho wrote:My dad and I predicted this months ago.
Didn't everyone? Or in how much detail do you mean?

Down to the smell of coco butter.

alexz721 · Post by **alexz721** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:14 am

Cigar Face wrote:It always amazes me that the Presidents that ended up getting shot were guys like Lincoln and Kennedy, but Bush can run around for eight years without getting shot at.

Because then Cheney would be the president, and it's a lot harder to attempt two assassinations than one.

Starman Ghost · Post by **Starman Ghost** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:18 am

alexz721 wrote:
Cigar Face wrote:It always amazes me that the Presidents that ended up getting shot were guys like Lincoln and Kennedy, but Bush can run around for eight years without getting shot at.
Because then Cheney would be the president, and it's a lot harder to attempt two assassinations than one.

Surely they must be in the same location at the same time at one point or another right? Isn't that what suicde bombers are for?

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:25 am

alexz721 wrote:
Cigar Face wrote:It always amazes me that the Presidents that ended up getting shot were guys like Lincoln and Kennedy, but Bush can run around for eight years without getting shot at.
Because then Cheney would be the president, and it's a lot harder to attempt two assassinations than one.

What's the point of killing W if Darth Cheney controls the White House already?

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:50 am

Gil_Hamilton wrote:
Lincoln was on the verge of impeachment for his constant vetoing of Congress' reconstruction bills.
Congress was very big on "Those damned rednecks are gonna PAY for that fucking secession nonsense!"and Lincoln was "Umm, guys? Remember I said we were going to war because you can't secede? Reconstruction is for a conquered nation, not an internal rebellion. Besides, shouldn't we be mending bridges instead of actively trying to make this north/south schism even WORSE?"

No. Lincoln was killed barely a month after his second inauguration(terms started in march back then). You are thinking of Johnson, lincoln's VP at the time of his death

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:35 am

I'm curious, how do you steal weapons from a gunshop??? wouldnt the people there just shoot you first? I doubt there plan would have worked anyways.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:59 am

funkyass wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:
Lincoln was on the verge of impeachment for his constant vetoing of Congress' reconstruction bills.
Congress was very big on "Those damned rednecks are gonna PAY for that fucking secession nonsense!"and Lincoln was "Umm, guys? Remember I said we were going to war because you can't secede? Reconstruction is for a conquered nation, not an internal rebellion. Besides, shouldn't we be mending bridges instead of actively trying to make this north/south schism even WORSE?"
No. Lincoln was killed barely a month after his second inauguration(terms started in march back then). You are thinking of Johnson, lincoln's VP at the time of his death

No.
Johnson is remembered(and occasionally vilified) for it in the history books, but he was carrying on Lincoln's beliefs regarding reconstruction. Lincoln's opposition to the harsh reconstruction policies pushed by Congress is well-documented, and he had already vetoed several bills put forth by the Radical Republicans to punish the South.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:49 am

Lincoln only pocket vetoed one bill with that regard. Booth shot him because the south lost, not because of a single pocket-veto.

The war only ended with Lee's surrender two days before Booth killed Lincoln.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:57 am

funkyass wrote:Lincoln only pocket vetoed one bill with that regard. Booth shot him because the south lost, not because of a single pocket-veto.

Booth most certainly WOULDN'T have killed him over the veto, as it was in HIS FAVOR.

In fact, he killed Lincoln because he was advocating voting rights for black people. He'd originally been planning to kidnap Lincoln and trade him for the release of several imprisoned confederates.

...

I thought I saw another pair of vetos in there. Ah well.

The war only ended with Lee's surrender two days before Booth killed Lincoln.

Reconstruction began before the official end, though(And the war continued after the official end, too. But that's nitpicking.). As soon as they started retaking land, they had to start figuring out what to do with it.

And, as I said, Lincoln's opinion is well-documented. He was on record several times advocating leniency.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:43 am

Yes he was. However, the Republicans, Radical or not, would never impeach Lincoln, because he never did anything impeachable.

The outcome that Booth preferred was continued existence of the Confederate States of America. Reconstruction, regardless of how it was implemented, had no bearing on Booth's mind. Hell, reconstruction is everything the south fought against - Elimination of Slavery, total governance from DC, and a significant reduction in States rights.

Yeah, Booth and Lincoln were on the same side. That explains the "Sic semper tyrannis" bit...

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:00 am

funkyass wrote:Yes he was. However, the Republicans, Radical or not, would never impeach Lincoln, because he never did anything impeachable.

Neither did Johnson.
Impeachment, as spelled out in the Constitution, is for criminal offenses. Vetos and executive orders fall outside that scope.

The outcome that Booth preferred was continued existence of the Confederate States of America. Reconstruction, regardless of how it was implemented, had no bearing on Booth's mind. Hell, reconstruction is everything the south fought against - Elimination of Slavery, total governance from DC, and a significant reduction in States rights.

Yeah, Booth and Lincoln were on the same side. That explains the "Sic semper tyrannis" bit...

*sigh*
Reconstruction as Lincoln argued for and Reconstruction as it happened were two different things.
Lincoln was AGAINST the Washington dictatorship, remember?

As the Confederacy had already surrendered and the war was technically over, Lincoln was arguing FOR the southern states, not against them.

Booth assassinated an ally who was attempting to stop federal oppression of the former Confederate states.
Whether he saw it that way or not is another story.

Gee, and here I thought I was gonna get into an argument over the unpopular war angle.

gllt · Post by **gllt** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:06 pm

I just skipped ten posts because they were long and felt serious from a distance

But this is so the wrong place for srs