OH NOEZ, DISGAEA DOESN'T DISPLAY!!! :O

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:23 am

It plays, you can hear the music and stuff, but no picture! the picture is very dark static

this is the first time I tried that game on my new TV. All other games work fine so far.

My TV is a 46" Samsung Series 6 650 TV (Full HD) and the console is connected via Component A/V (like it was before, with me old CRT TV)

It is usint 720x576i, I already tried running the TV in 4:3 mode, but that had no effect... I don't think I can force particular resolutions.

megamanzer0 · Post by **megamanzer0** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:02 am

lol sounds like you messed up the inputs try switching the video feeds and then change the replace the audio cable as needed.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:07 am

other games work fine, so it can't be the cables connected wrongly.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:27 am

Workaround to my problem -> http://au.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/disgaeah ... pid=589678

Kinda annoying that I have to use something else... now I just need a video router doohickey thing that does composite and component A/V.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:39 am

using component cables with a ps2 is by in large a waste.

buy an svideo cable and save the component for a ps3

Post by **Agozer** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:43 am

Same thing happens with ICO.

Personally, I don't think that using component cables with the PS2 is a waste. It's a huge step up over S-Video in terms is picture quality, and only a few games do not work right with component cables (although this has a lot to do with your TV as well)

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:48 am

I aint getting a next-gen console any time soon, maybe in 6 months when i have enough $$$ ^_^" and it would be an Xbox 360 because my bro has one too, and I would be able to swap games with him and save money on games ^_^"

the difference between the xbox and ps3 visually, is not enough for 'me' to give a damn about, I'm not a graphics whore and both offer mostly the same games.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:08 pm

very few ps2 games support progressive scan, which is what component cables are for.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:39 pm

Old TV never supported progressive scan, never had s-video inputs but did have component inputs (as well as composite), so it can't be only for Progressive modes :/

It 'may' have supported 240p but thats not commonly used it seems.

EDIT: I also can't be bothered buying an S-Video cable... waste of money, well maybe get one for the Gamecube if it supports S-video out? Australian Gamecubes don't have the pins for component A/V to work.

The Gamecube is very, very blurry when using composite :/

diminish · Post by **diminish** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:49 pm

franpa wrote:Workaround to my problem -> http://au.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/disgaeah ... pid=589678

Kinda annoying that I have to use something else... now I just need a video router doohickey thing that does composite and component A/V.

If it is so, does switching Component Video Out to Y Cb/Pb Cr/Pr from RGB in PS2 bios makes any difference for any game using your particular TV and component cable?

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:55 pm

don't you have to enable component for it to display anyway? I had this problem when I first converted my PS2 to use component.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:57 pm

I can try changing it FROM component to RGB, I already changed that ages ago to component.

Post by **odditude** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:10 pm

funkyass wrote:very few ps2 games support progressive scan, which is what component cables are for.

god of war was amazing on my ps2 in progressive scan.

just sayin'.

and the difference between s-video and component in other games was minor but still noticeable.

Post by **Agozer** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:34 pm

franpa wrote:I can try changing it FROM component to RGB, I already changed that ages ago to component.

I get no picture if my PS2 is set use use RGB instead of Y Cb/Pb Cr/Pr when using component cables. I just wish European publishers would stop stripping Progressive Scan from most games that get here.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:53 pm

Agozer wrote:I get no picture if my PS2 is set use use RGB instead of Y Cb/Pb Cr/Pr when using component cables.

That's what I tried to say.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:44 am

Sorry, I meant I could see how blurred the composite cable looks, since you do get one of them with your PS2. If it is too blurry or something then I can probably set up the game in the other room and let my parents watch my HD TV, I don't think they'd complain much ^_^"

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:41 am

franpa wrote:Old TV never supported progressive scan, never had s-video inputs but did have component inputs (as well as composite), so it can't be only for Progressive modes :/

S-video is OLDER THAN component.

Component was thrown onto a lot of TVs that couldn't benefit from it after DVD caught on, because it was another "ZOMG AWESOME" bullet point.
Right up there with scanline velocity modulation and edge enhancement.

Most GOOD TVs have s-video, and have since before DVD and component video even existed.

Component is also only marginally better than s-video for a non-HD image.
In fact, the "green" line is IDENTICAL to s-video's luma line.
It just uses two separate signals for color data instead of s-video's single chroma line.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:38 am

Gil_Hamilton wrote:S-video is OLDER THAN component.

Yea, I'm aware it goes Composite < S-Video < Component Video < HDMI

Gil_Hamilton wrote:Component was thrown onto a lot of TVs that couldn't benefit from it after DVD caught on, because it was another "ZOMG AWESOME" bullet point.
Right up there with scanline velocity modulation and edge enhancement.

Didn't know that, cool to know at least

Component also allows higher resolutions ^^" I believe you can use up to 1080i, you need HDMI for 1080p.

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:42 am

franpa wrote:Didn't know that, cool to know at least Component also allows higher resolutions ^^" I believe you can use up to 1080i, you need HDMI for 1080p.

False. Component can do 1080p. It's just that your TV needs to support 1080p component.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:10 am

most 1080p sources require HDCP support, which component can't do...

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:52 am

franpa wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:S-video is OLDER THAN component.
Yea, I'm aware it goes Composite < S-Video < Component Video < HDMI

Then why the fuck did you say old TVs had component video but not s-video?

Gil_Hamilton wrote:Component was thrown onto a lot of TVs that couldn't benefit from it after DVD caught on, because it was another "ZOMG AWESOME" bullet point.
Right up there with scanline velocity modulation and edge enhancement.
Didn't know that, cool to know at least Component also allows higher resolutions ^^" I believe you can use up to 1080i, you need HDMI for 1080p.

A great many of the TVs that have component inputs can't do HD in any way shape or form.

Hell, most of them can't do progressive-scan SD. Or even a decent NTSC-spec image.
Hence why it's another retarded bulletpoint.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:01 am

Ah, I meant old TV as in my old TV, not old TV's in general.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:59 am

Hey, does the PAL SNES support component A/V? hell, does any SNES support it? I believe component A/V was made after the SNES.

Who makes component A/V cables for it, if it does support component A/V?

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:36 am

franpa wrote:Hey, does the PAL SNES support component A/V? hell, does any SNES support it? I believe component A/V was made after the SNES.

Who makes component A/V cables for it, if it does support component A/V?

No. The SNES doesn't support component.

Even the GameCube(the first nintendo system to be capable of component output... sorta) doesn't support component on the multi-out connector.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:49 am

Thought so, Gamecube used an alternate digital out, for outputting component video and that is only featured on consoles made prior to may 2004.