Xbox 360 vs PS3 pricing wars

[odditude]

In memoriam

SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART!

SCAAAAAAAAAARTAAAAAAAAAAA!

[Panzer88]

was I the only one watching DTV in 2004? Some people are making it sound like the newest invention.

[sweener2001]

You didn't need to run out and buy that uberexpensive $1k or more HDTV.

HAH

when AoL thinks uber-expensive
it's actually a pretty good set, though. 1080p, 120 Hz LCD.

but given the 60" kuro elite, mitsubishi laservue, and other high tier HDTV's, 1k is not what i would call uber-expensive. that's practically mainstream for hdtv. vizio and westinghouse hover around that price point, along with a slew of past gen lcd's from every major company.

although an excellent projector can be had for around 3k. but then you'd need a screen, or theater paint, and that's not cheap.

why don't we move this to discussion to hdtv tech of choice. OLED currently excluded, since it's still not widely commercially available in sizes greater than 11"

we have a 60+" 1080p DLP, and it's nice. although on pure white, i can kind of see the rainbow-ing effect.

my plan is a 46" samsung series 8 lcd.

my dream set keeps alternating between a projector and a plasma, but with pioneer halting their plasma line, i don't know what to think.

also, audio brands of choice?

[Panzer88]

$1000 is expensive I got a good quality 32" 1080p set for only $500

also 120hz lcds of today can only upscale 60hz content up to 120hz, when native 120hz content comes out, it won't be able to play it because they aren't built to recognize 120hz signals so all that money spent is now useless, I'll wait till sets that recognize native 120hz signals.

[sweener2001]

but given the 60" kuro elite, mitsubishi laservue, and other high tier HDTV's, 1k is not what i would call uber-expensive. that's practically mainstream for hdtv. vizio and westinghouse hover around that price point, along with a slew of past gen lcd's from every major company.

i see at least a 40" or 37" in just about every house i visit. i'm talking ~80%, here. 1k is mainstream. also, visiting houses is a part of my job, so i've been a lot of houses.

and apparently i've seen way more 46+" than you think exist.

it's not that i visit rich people, either. except those couple times i walked into a 60" kuro elite with these ridiculous audio set-ups from brands i've never heard of.

i'm sure your tv is suiting you just fine, but big picture, 1k is the mainstream price.

[Gil_Hamilton]

HDTV is not a subset of DTV - the 'D' means something completely different in those two acronyms. There are most definitely methods of providing an HD analog signal (e.g. component video cables).

DTV = Digital TV, usually meaning an ATSC or QAM broadcast.
This compares to TV, generally accepted to mean an analog (e.g. NTSC) broadcast.

HDTV = High-Definition TV, displaying at a resolution >= 720p or 1080i.
This compares to SDTV (Standard-Definition, at <= 480i) and EDTV (Enhanced-Definition, generally accepted to mean 480p).

SDTV and HDTV are BOTH subsets of DTV.
EDTV is not a real standard. It's a buzzword made up by the CEA.
You also forgot 1080p in your HDTV definition.

[Panzer88]

but given the 60" kuro elite, mitsubishi laservue, and other high tier HDTV's, 1k is not what i would call uber-expensive. that's practically mainstream for hdtv. vizio and westinghouse hover around that price point, along with a slew of past gen lcd's from every major company.

i see at least a 40" or 37" in just about every house i visit. i'm talking ~80%, here. 1k is mainstream. also, visiting houses is a part of my job, so i've been a lot of houses.

and apparently i've seen way more 46+" than you think exist.

it's not that i visit rich people, either. except those couple times i walked into a 60" kuro elite with these ridiculous audio set-ups from brands i've never heard of.

i'm sure your tv is suiting you just fine, but big picture, 1k is the mainstream price.

I delivered furniture for a living until not long ago, there was a decent amount of HDTV owners, but there was also just as many and more who didn't. I even went to many extremely rich people's houses that DIDN'T have HDTVs I suppose because they just didn't care and spent their money on other niceties.

I'm not saying a lot of people don't have HDTVs, but in the united states I would still say half or more do not, ESPECIALLY not 46"or greater, I don't know where you work but that is NOT the norm.

[odditude]

SDTV and HDTV are BOTH subsets of DTV.

worded that way, you are indeed correct.

EDTV is not a real standard. It's a buzzword made up by the CEA.

"real" or not, it was used in the marketing of TVs a few years back.

You also forgot 1080p in your HDTV definition.

>= 720p or 1080i

[sweener2001]

but given the 60" kuro elite, mitsubishi laservue, and other high tier HDTV's, 1k is not what i would call uber-expensive. that's practically mainstream for hdtv. vizio and westinghouse hover around that price point, along with a slew of past gen lcd's from every major company.

i see at least a 40" or 37" in just about every house i visit. i'm talking ~80%, here. 1k is mainstream. also, visiting houses is a part of my job, so i've been a lot of houses.

and apparently i've seen way more 46+" than you think exist.

it's not that i visit rich people, either. except those couple times i walked into a 60" kuro elite with these ridiculous audio set-ups from brands i've never heard of.

i'm sure your tv is suiting you just fine, but big picture, 1k is the mainstream price.

I delivered furniture for a living until not long ago, there was a decent amount of HDTV owners, but there was also just as many and more who didn't. I even went to many extremely rich people's houses that DIDN'T have HDTVs I suppose because they just didn't care and spent their money on other niceties.

I'm not saying a lot of people don't have HDTVs, but in the united states I would still say half or more do not, ESPECIALLY not 46"or greater, I don't know where you work but that is NOT the norm.

right my job that do now compared to the one you had.

also

i see at least a 40" or 37" in just about every house i visit. i'm talking ~80%, here.

your whole last paragraph is invalid. i'm pretty positive a LOT of hdtv's moved over this last holiday season, as well.

also 1080i != 1080p

[Panzer88]

I was moving furniture in january, I never said 1080i = 1080p, I know the difference

and my statement still stands, the majority of houses I visited in the Salem, Portland, Eugene Oregon area did not have HDTVs.

[I.S.T.]

It depends on the area, I guess...

[Panzer88]

just me arguing with sweener isn't going to go anywhere.

Honestly people, do you think the majority of households in the United States has a flat screen 1080p television of 36" or greater? no fucking way. I do but I am not the norm. I went airsofting with an acquaintance of mine back on tuesday, when I went over to his house he had an LCD, and he had cable, but his tv was something like 18 inches. That is SMALL but I see a lot of things like that, old people who have a LARGE square standard def television, or young people who want "high def' and so have these tiny tiny tiny 720p lcds.

Of course I know and have seen many people with big new televisions too, but it isn't the majority. I have a friend that works at a rent-a-center and they still get a ton of rentals for flat screens around super bowl times etc, because people don't OWN their own.

I'm not against big screens, I have one, I love em, but I laugh at someone saying the majority of american households have a flat screen over 36" inches (which usually means 1080p)

[sweener2001]

I was moving furniture in january, I never said 1080i = 1080p, I know the difference

and my statement still stands, the majority of houses I visited in the Salem, Portland, Eugene Oregon area did not have HDTVs.

that was not for you

also oregon = hippies

as an aside, i was also trying to change the subject anyway. i see what i see at my job. i know what my friends own. and 36+ inches does not equal 1080p. been to a walmart lately? 768p is still very prevalent. and have you even checked prices on 40" vizio sets? they sell them at freaking costco.

[Panzer88]

eastern oregon = hippies, western oregon = just south of Seattle.

the point is different places are different, saying the majority of ALL of America is a crazy statement, I'm sure places like Kansas to the ghettos of New York aren't hooked up yet.

I'm not saying a lot of people don't have HDTVs just saying the majority of the entire country is crazy talk.

[Gil_Hamilton]

SDTV and HDTV are BOTH subsets of DTV.

worded that way, you are indeed correct.

That's funny, because the wording hasn't changed.

HDTV is a subset of DTV. They are not entirely different things. Just like a square is a rectangle.

SDTV and HDTV are BOTH subsets of DTV.

Explain to me when the definition of subset changed.

Arr, mateys edit: Explain to me when you got that quote-fumbling disease. It worries me.

[grinvader]

was I the only one watching DTV in 2004? Some people are making it sound like the newest invention.

DTV started in france in 2005, with a coverage of roughly 100 houses and 25 goats.

... so yeah. Not really a priority around here, especially since you need a hidef tv to even appreciate it, and that such tvs make ALL the old stuff look like crap AND are expensive as fuck (or half-fuck, for the smaller ones).
People tend not to get bumfucked that raw if they can help it.

Btw, 4 years after, the coverage is about ok, but signal issues galore, and we all know how digital stuff sucks compared to analog when it comes to delivering from a botched input.

[odditude]

Explain to me when the definition of subset changed.

it didn't, but i had interpreted what you initially said differently than how you meant it. the latter quote clarified it for me.

[clessoulis]

You didn't need to run out and buy that uberexpensive $1k or more HDTV.

HAH

when AoL thinks uber-expensive
it's actually a pretty good set, though. 1080p, 120 Hz LCD.

but given the 60" kuro elite, mitsubishi laservue, and other high tier HDTV's, 1k is not what i would call uber-expensive. that's practically mainstream for hdtv. vizio and westinghouse hover around that price point, along with a slew of past gen lcd's from every major company.

although an excellent projector can be had for around 3k. but then you'd need a screen, or theater paint, and that's not cheap.

why don't we move this to discussion to hdtv tech of choice. OLED currently excluded, since it's still not widely commercially available in sizes greater than 11"

we have a 60+" 1080p DLP, and it's nice. although on pure white, i can kind of see the rainbow-ing effect.

my plan is a 46" samsung series 8 lcd.

my dream set keeps alternating between a projector and a plasma, but with pioneer halting their plasma line, i don't know what to think.

also, audio brands of choice?

Wanted to chime in on this.

Plasma is my love but its old and dying tech. LCD is crappy color, darkness and input delay compared to plasma.

Im really digging panasonic and the now defunked pioneer super thin plasmas.

Im probably getting a samsung super thin LCD today as I can wait any longer for a uber thin tv. 1.2 inch thin.

Also very happy with wifi inputs on newer tvs. Cut as much clutter as you can from wall mounted tvs yah know.

Also gonna throw out that I make only around 30k a year and own 3 hdtvs. I dont know any person who's in my age range and on there own who doesnt own a 36" plus hdtv. Age range being 20 to 25. I live in Raleigh NC. Im dirt poor and work at walgreens as a cashier. Were you perhaps moving tvs in homeless shelters?

[grinvader]

shh, you'll wake up the oled fartsboy