Effective emulator design.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:55 pm

Metatron wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:
blargg wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:What's your point?
His point is that you're an idiot for engaging in discussion (I only know this because I got the point a while back in the linked discussion about binary).
But there's no color at all! Why is he special-casing an argument for the sky?!?!
Think of Squall as Franpa 2.0.

Or shall I need to use hand puppets?

Making Franpa alerts Mark II is fine too

Post by **grinvader** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:14 pm

Squall_Leonhart wrote:light bouncing

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h4tred · Post by **h4tred** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:53 am

Indeed.

Well, decided between:

* Vectrex (loads of potential ideas there)
* GBA (obviously)
* SNES
* or possibly something N64 related, since PJ64 stinks and plugins are crap.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:15 am

h4tred wrote:Indeed.

Well, decided between:

* Vectrex (loads of potential ideas there)
* GBA (obviously)
* SNES
* or possibly something N64 related, since PJ64 stinks and plugins are crap.

I'd personally do N64 (try to make the pSX of N64 emulation (NO PLUGINS

), if that's even possible.)

Barring that, it's still your choice nonetheless.

I.S.T. · Post by **I.S.T.** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:10 am

h4tred wrote:Indeed.

Well, decided between:

* Vectrex (loads of potential ideas there)
* GBA (obviously)
* SNES
* or possibly something N64 related, since PJ64 stinks and plugins are crap.

Choose the one that interests you or would give you the most personal satisfaction.

AamirM · Post by **AamirM** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:22 pm

h4tred wrote:Indeed.

Well, decided between:

* Vectrex (loads of potential ideas there)
* GBA (obviously)
* SNES
* or possibly something N64 related, since PJ64 stinks and plugins are crap.

Wait....isn't it possible to write something like a "LLE" video/audio plugin for N64?

As for "effective emulator framework", I think it will get you nowhere. Just jump in and code already. :D

I.S.T. · Post by **I.S.T.** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:35 pm

It's been done. Can't seem to find it on emutalk anymore though. I dunno where it disappeared to. I'll google it.

Even so, an LLE plugin would only go so far given it'd go into the current emulators...

Edit: Found it via google: http://www.emutalk.net/showthread.php?t=40640

I searched in the wrong fucking sub-forums when I did the emutalk search. I suck.

ShadowFX · Post by **ShadowFX** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:39 pm

I had high hopes for that plugin, but development stopped, unfortunately.

AamirM · Post by **AamirM** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:01 pm

I can't seem to use that plugin

.

Requires OpenGL 2 it seems. (I have 1.4. My PC sucks.)

Post by **grinvader** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:03 pm

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Tallgeese · Post by **Tallgeese** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:11 pm

h4tred wrote:Indeed.

Well, decided between:

* Vectrex (loads of potential ideas there)
* GBA (obviously)
* SNES
* or possibly something N64 related, since PJ64 stinks and plugins are crap.

bsnes vs mudSNES! FIGHT!

You know you wanna.

Though in all seriousness, if you like GBA, and think VBA is bad...

Panzer88 · Post by **Panzer88** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:23 pm

another off topic idea for older system emulator authors, would be to write an emulator that could render more of a game horizontally at a time, so you could see farther ahead in a sidescrolling game, effectively creating a native widescreen mode that the original hardware couldn't produce, it wouldn't be easy and probably wouldn't work on all games but it would be very cool and also great for playing on widescreen tvs, monitors, psps, etc. and just the idea of seeing more of the game at once is intriguing.

blargg · Post by **blargg** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:31 pm

If rendering more than is shown on screen, it would be hard to avoid having enemies suddenly appear quite a bit away from the edges. Lots of games also only maintain a small portion of the background at a time. Perhaps the emulator could detect scrolling, and remember pixels that scroll off screen and keep displaying the last pixels at that location.

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:55 pm

Most SNES games have levels that are just too large to fit into VRAM. They have to use "manual" scrolling at one point or another, and in that case it makes sense to load only the currently visible screen into VRAM, plus a few tiles beyond.

(Super Mario Kart and Gunman's Proof are two exeptions, btw.)

Exophase · Post by **Exophase** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:40 pm

h4tred wrote:Indeed.

Well, decided between:

* Vectrex (loads of potential ideas there)
* GBA (obviously)
* SNES
* or possibly something N64 related, since PJ64 stinks and plugins are crap.

I'd like to somewhat redo my GBA emulator too >_> (if I can work up enough nerve to really get anywhere doing that). If you want to talk about GBA emulation stuff or share source then feel free to contact me, we can talk on AIM or IRC or something.

I.S.T. · Post by **I.S.T.** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:40 pm

He's been banned, so don't expect a reply.

Exophase · Post by **Exophase** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:45 pm

I.S.T. wrote:He's been banned, so don't expect a reply.

As of two days ago? Good grief :/

Guess I'd better send him an e-mail...

I.S.T. · Post by **I.S.T.** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:47 pm

Try PMing him over at emutalk, I think his e-mail account here is fake(If the fact that his e-mail account over at emutalk is fake carries over here).

Exophase · Post by **Exophase** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:53 pm

I.S.T. wrote:Try PMing him over at emutalk, I think his e-mail account here is fake(If the fact that his e-mail account over at emutalk is fake carries over here).

Okay, thanks for the tip

Panzer88 · Post by **Panzer88** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:42 pm

I.S.T. wrote:He's been banned, so don't expect a reply.

again?

I.S.T. · Post by **I.S.T.** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:45 pm

That is what "-Burninated-" means.

Post by **grinvader** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:37 pm

Panzer88 wrote:
I.S.T. wrote:He's been banned, so don't expect a reply.
again?

The first ban was meaningless, as he asked for it himself from his newer account.

gllt · Post by **gllt** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:02 am

DEAD BRAD

etabeta · Post by **etabeta** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:23 pm

what? I left for 5 days, and now he's gone?

s**t

I hope that he doesn't give up on his project (especially if he decides for N64). There would be a lot of Pros:

1. N64 scene would definitely need a good emu with no need of per game configurations
2. If the emulator is well written and could be ported to other OSes, I guess he would have infinite thanks from all Unix and Mac users!
3. A portable N64 emu would allow also a better base for improvements to the USF audio format
4. Between MAME/MESS n64 code and MooglyGuy's blog posts, some documentation on the hardware is already out to be used (even if probably more tests are needed).

As a Mac user, I strongly hope he decides to follow this route.

Finally, even if I'm not impartial on the subject, let me add a small remark

I.S.T. wrote:As for MESS.... Fuck 'em as long as they have Cowering supporting/working on it.

On Linux and MacOSX, for many systems MESS is the only available emulatore (and quite often on Windows as well, if you're looking for some obscure systems which only have DOS or Russian emus).
Also, without MESS, there would be no Hartung Game Master and no Epoch Game Pocket Computer emulation, since dumps and units were provided by the MESS team.

When I weight Cow's .hsi files (which are in a simple xml-like format and can be overwritten with nointro equivalent ones without even a warning from the emulator) with the wonders done by Judge [1], Micko and others, I have no doubts about keep using MESS

[1] btw he is now also working on Neo Geo Pocket support, to finally provide an up-to-date alternative to NeoPocott

ShadowFX · Post by **ShadowFX** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:42 pm

etabeta wrote:I hope that he doesn't give up on his project (especially if he decides for N64).

Somehow, I don't think you should get your hopes up.