ubuntu 9.04 sound, or lack thereof

[sweener2001]

giving linux a spin, and i like ubuntu so far. it's the only linux where i've been able to sucessfully install video card drivers.

but now my issue is sound. i'm running an m-audio revolution 5.1 through the spdif optical out. from the little research i've done, it just doesn't seem like i'm going to get sound working.

unless you guys know a site or workaround off the top of your heads, that is.

EDIT: i can at least get a tone out of the sound config box when i select my device (IEC1724 IEC958 (ALSA)) and test it.

but from what i can tell, sound isn't working anywhere else

[grinvader]

>> ubuntu sound

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[AamirM]

>> linux sound

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Fixed.

unless you guys know a site or workaround off the top of your heads, that is.

You should try to install it using VMWare on Windows.

Just out of curiosity, why are you trying to use linux?

[sweener2001]

mostly for kicks

ended up taking it off, anyway. after booting into it a couple times, i started getting weird crap on the screen during start-up, and it never progressed.

back to win 7 RC for now.

[Panzer88]

if you want to try ubuntu, I would really try Linux Mint, it comes with a lot more drivers and software out of the box. It's still Ubuntu, just with more built in.

http://www.linuxmint.com/

if you want to try something an RPM based release like Red Hat or Suse, try Mandriva.

http://www2.mandriva.com/

I tried both recently and they worked pretty well with sound and wireless on my laptop which are the two biggest stumbling blocks with most distros.

[gllt]

Go directly to Debian do not pass fedora do not collect three desktop enviornments

also http://distrowatch.com/ Foresight mmm

[Nach]

>> linux sound

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh man

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Fixed.

unless you guys know a site or workaround off the top of your heads, that is.

You should try to install it using VMWare on Windows.

Just out of curiosity, why are you trying to use linux?

Now now, enough of pointless OS wars.
Read this: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... tream.html

^--- even covers Ubuntu audio stupidity.

[AamirM]

Now now, enough of pointless OS wars.
Read this: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... tream.html

^--- even covers Ubuntu audio stupidity.

First of all, excellent post.

But you didn't really answer the question that "Will Linux ever be mainstream?".

I think the answer is NO.

Note that I am not trying to start a "Windows vs. Linux" war (or any OS war for that matter). Only trying to point out that the problems (and solutions) you listed have been known already for many MANY years but they never really got fixed.

[Nach]

Now now, enough of pointless OS wars.
Read this: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... tream.html

^--- even covers Ubuntu audio stupidity.

First of all, excellent post.

But you didn't really answer the question that "Will Linux ever be mainstream?".

I think the answer is NO.

It will be mainstream if people accept the problems and begin to address them.

However if you look at the response to the post by "morricone", you see people are not willing to accept that such problems exist, only leading to not fixing the problems, leading to Linux never becoming mainstream.

[Panzer88]

Go directly to Debian do not pass fedora do not collect three desktop enviornments

also http://distrowatch.com/ Foresight mmm

I wanted to suggest debian, but I couldn't remember how well they did a lot of drivers, I remember it not being able to see my internal wireless card, so I was just trying to provide the most "just works" distros in my experience even if they aren't the best.

[gllt]

yeah well debian just works for me thats all
like those work for you
its up to them really, test test test

I'm going to go try out Jibbed today if I can nnn

[Deathlike2]

Now now, enough of pointless OS wars.
Read this: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... tream.html

^--- even covers Ubuntu audio stupidity.

I would disagree that you shouldn't allow people to develop more similar software (only because of have more options isn't bad)... rather there should be a greater endorsement for software that does not have a Linux equivalent or has a poor facsimile. Embracing all good options would be preferable (and you can still have a favorite or preference).

[Nach]

Now now, enough of pointless OS wars.
Read this: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... tream.html

^--- even covers Ubuntu audio stupidity.

I would disagree that you shouldn't allow people to develop more similar software (only because of have more options isn't bad)... rather there should be a greater endorsement for software that does not have a Linux equivalent or has a poor facsimile. Embracing all good options would be preferable (and you can still have a favorite or preference).

I think you missed the idea, we don't need *multiple* Linux equivalents with the exact same feature set.

If you go to make a 2nd or a 3rd Linux program, then make it different. And don't decide later on that needs to be more like the program you're competing with removing all differences, so you're left with two identical programs for no apparent reason.

[Deathlike2]

Now now, enough of pointless OS wars.
Read this: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... tream.html

^--- even covers Ubuntu audio stupidity.

I would disagree that you shouldn't allow people to develop more similar software (only because of have more options isn't bad)... rather there should be a greater endorsement for software that does not have a Linux equivalent or has a poor facsimile. Embracing all good options would be preferable (and you can still have a favorite or preference).

I think you missed the idea, we don't need *multiple* Linux equivalents with the exact same feature set.

If you go to make a 2nd or a 3rd Linux program, then make it different. And don't decide later on that needs to be more like the program you're competing with removing all differences, so you're left with two identical programs for no apparent reason.

Sure, that was kinda my point. Gotta differentiate by featureset for the most part.

[Nach]

Now now, enough of pointless OS wars.
Read this: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... tream.html

^--- even covers Ubuntu audio stupidity.

I would disagree that you shouldn't allow people to develop more similar software (only because of have more options isn't bad)... rather there should be a greater endorsement for software that does not have a Linux equivalent or has a poor facsimile. Embracing all good options would be preferable (and you can still have a favorite or preference).

I think you missed the idea, we don't need *multiple* Linux equivalents with the exact same feature set.

If you go to make a 2nd or a 3rd Linux program, then make it different. And don't decide later on that needs to be more like the program you're competing with removing all differences, so you're left with two identical programs for no apparent reason.

Sure, that was kinda my point. Gotta differentiate by featureset for the most part.

That is what was written there. Maybe it wasn't clear enough.

[kick]

giving linux a spin, and i like ubuntu so far. it's the only linux where i've been able to sucessfully install video card drivers.

but now my issue is sound. i'm running an m-audio revolution 5.1 through the spdif optical out. from the little research i've done, it just doesn't seem like i'm going to get sound working.

Try this tiny distro:
http://www.puppylinux.org/downloads/off ... -linux-421
It supports more hardware than all the big distros combined

Installation is not necessary. Just run it live.

unless you guys know a site or workaround off the top of your heads, that is.

Remove ALSA + PulseAudio and install OSS 4.1

[sweener2001]

i'll keep those in mind next time i decide to test drive linux.

it's definitely strides since my last serious attempt which was three or four years ago.

the linix people need to agree on a solid, standard, and singular api for sound and video. that'd be my first step in helping linux reach the masses. but i don't think that crowd wants the masses. cause then who would you be snide at?

EDIT: i'll give that puppy linux a go, and probably mint. i just won't install them.

[gllt]

I think everyone should do what they want
and then some of them who like this idea of making one unified everything for the oneness masses can do it and we can go live with the oneness

mother goddess kernel

[Gil_Hamilton]

Try this tiny distro:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... monkey.iso
It supports more hardware than all the big distros combined

Installation is not necessary. Just run it live.

Puppy comes with Seamonkey now?

I hereby give it my wholehearted endorsement.
...
And get flamed by the Cult of GPL for not hugging Iceape, most likely.

[AamirM]

Another new "Why Linux Is Not (Yet) Ready for the Desktop" article came up today. Its concise and spot on.

But as Nach pointed out above, linux users just won't accept these problems.

[Gil_Hamilton]

Another new "Why Linux Is Not (Yet) Ready for the Desktop" article came up today. Its concise and spot on.

But as Nach pointed out above, linux users just won't accept these problems.

"12. Bad security model: there's zero protection against keyboard keyloggers and against running malicious software (Linux is viruses free only due to its extremely low popularity)."


Speaking of Cult of GPL flames...
This one's going thermonuclear.
I guarontee it.

[Panzer88]

Try this tiny distro:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... monkey.iso
It supports more hardware than all the big distros combined

Installation is not necessary. Just run it live.

Puppy comes with Seamonkey now?

I hereby give it my wholehearted endorsement.
...
And get flamed by the Cult of GPL for not hugging Iceape, most likely.

I can vouch for puppy, it's the only distro I could get to run on my dad's ancient laptop and supported his obscure wifi usb dongle out of the box no hassle. It's a great distro.

Still, I wouldn't use it as my main distro, for one they are so small and independent sometimes getting certain apps on it can be cumbersome as the standard puppy repository isn't very big but it gets the job done.

To be fair the author is also working to make sure the standard apps are updated and that there is support for a larger variety of software in the next puppy release, perhaps supporting .deb packages etc (meaning you could easily plug into debian and ubuntu repositories).

The OS is very easy and self explaining, the author has done a very good job of creating a pretty yet very light OS that supports a ton of hardware, you can run it in ram for goodness sake. Here's hoping the next release does prove to be even more competitive than the last.

[Nach]

Another new "Why Linux Is Not (Yet) Ready for the Desktop" article came up today. Its concise and spot on.

But as Nach pointed out above, linux users just won't accept these problems.

"12. Bad security model: there's zero protection against keyboard keyloggers and against running malicious software (Linux is viruses free only due to its extremely low popularity)."

That one is just patently false.
In order to grab ALL keyboard input, the program in question has to be root, or a root user has to set the raw keyboard device to be accessible by those aren't root.

[grinvader]

root
kit
root
kit
root
kit


it's like root beer except not

[kick]

To be fair the author is also working to make sure the standard apps are updated and that there is support for a larger variety of software in the next puppy release, perhaps supporting .deb packages etc (meaning you could easily plug into debian and ubuntu repositories).

Meet Puppy 5.0 (a.k.a. 'Upuptu') - the world's first 100% Ubuntu-compatible Puppy, featuring the latest kernel (2.6.29.4) and a vastly improved package manager.

If you're feeling adventurous,you can download the latest test version (Upup Alpha9) from here:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... up-476.iso