zsnes stretch full screen

favian · Post by **favian** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:43 pm

when i have full screen enabled (alt enter) by default

its still never completely fullscreen.

There is still a black outline outside the game screen. I use zsnes with my television set, and its frustrating to see that the full screen isnt being used.

Is there any workaround for this?

rage46 · Post by **rage46** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:49 pm

I bet that the black is actually the border of the screen that is in fact just black because no pixels are directed to it. In other words it was put there by the manufactuer to boast a higher screen relestate.

PS this is a very bad explanation maybe someone can explain it better?

favian · Post by **favian** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:30 pm

rage46 wrote:I bet that the black is actually the border of the screen that is in fact just black because no pixels are directed to it. In other words it was put there by the manufactuer to boast a higher screen relestate.

PS this is a very bad explanation maybe someone can explain it better?

its a black square border. The problem is, i dont want that black border, i want the game screen stretched completely. And this isnt just one game by the way, this is all games.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:43 pm

I'm quite sure it is intended to be that way, something regarding snes real screen ratio. Which Zsnes version are you using?

ThunderClaw · Post by **ThunderClaw** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:45 pm

Curse those crazy authors for not wanting to mangle the aspect ratio of the game, I guess.

Clements · Post by **Clements** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:58 pm

Well, it's fully stretched for me on my PC monitor, latest WIP, using 1280x1024 DS Full.

rage46 · Post by **rage46** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:03 am

Ya but he is using his tv.

BTW TV resolutions are 640x480 are they not? If thats the case try that, unless you have and HDTV.

ThunderClaw · Post by **ThunderClaw** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:43 am

rage46 wrote:Ya but he is using his tv.

BTW TV resolutions are 640x480 are they not? If thats the case try that, unless you have and HDTV.

320x280, I think.

Not positive.

rage46 · Post by **rage46** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:49 am

Great now I've got to go find out...

caffeine · Post by **caffeine** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:10 am

you can have zsnes stretched to full screen as well as in an aspect-ratio black box.

(assuming that your tv usually always shows your computer @ full screen)

nevermind... answered in other thread.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:36 am

According to here, NTSC is Xx525, where X depends on the equipment.

Reznor007 · Post by **Reznor007** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:02 am

It should be full screen to be the correct aspect ratio. Darkfalz's code is actually quite incorrect.

JFD62780 · Post by **JFD62780** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:09 am

Actually, from my experience (long story ahead), there are 2 8-scanline-tall borders on the top and the bottom of the screen. I used to own a 1981 TV that had a control in the back that let you control how tall or short the scanlines were. I set it to just enough where all the scanlines were on the screen from edge to edge. Not an easy feat. I did this after I fiddled with the focus controls.

The NES had a few early games that took advantage, most notably Super Mario Brothers, which simply painted the background color beyond the normal screen boundaries (or overscan for you TV geeks). The fact was even vaguely mentioned in its instruction booklet, but it was there.

When I got my Super NES, I noticed those black bars, but I didn't mind them; they were part of its charm.

See? You got it from me; the black bars do exist (in fullscreen NTSC, at least), so who's to say that Darkfalz is incorrect? 640x480 sure acts native enough to me!

favian · Post by **favian** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:54 am

JFD62780 wrote:Actually, from my experience (long story ahead), there are 2 8-scanline-tall borders on the top and the bottom of the screen. I used to own a 1981 TV that had a control in the back that let you control how tall or short the scanlines were. I set it to just enough where all the scanlines were on the screen from edge to edge. Not an easy feat. I did this after I fiddled with the focus controls.

The NES had a few early games that took advantage, most notably Super Mario Brothers, which simply painted the background color beyond the normal screen boundaries (or overscan for you TV geeks). The fact was even vaguely mentioned in its instruction booklet, but it was there.

When I got my Super NES, I noticed those black bars, but I didn't mind them; they were part of its charm.

See? You got it from me; the black bars do exist (in fullscreen NTSC, at least), so who's to say that Darkfalz is incorrect? 640x480 sure acts native enough to me!

well an option to stretch to fullscreen would be nice to get rid of the black bars, regardless of whether or not it is faithful, giving the user the option is a feature that would be nice.

Ichinisan · Post by **Ichinisan** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:24 pm

Pressing Alt+Enter without having configured your video settings will use a DR mode. Just select a DS mode from the Config>Video menu.

PGN-X · Post by **PGN-X** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:17 am

How the hell can you play zsnes on your TV?

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:23 am

xzib1t wrote:How the hell can you play zsnes on your TV?

With... A video card with tv-out? RCA or S-video output is kind of standard in videocards. Although I think there is no more cards with RCA, only S-video.

ThunderClaw · Post by **ThunderClaw** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:10 am

Joe Camacho wrote:Although I think there is no more cards with RCA, only S-video.

Many cards include the S-Video -> RCA adapter, and even if they do not, not even RadioShack can charge you more than a few bucks for one.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:15 am

ThunderClaw wrote:
Joe Camacho wrote:Although I think there is no more cards with RCA, only S-video.
Many cards include the S-Video -> RCA adapter, and even if they do not, not even RadioShack can charge you more than a few bucks for one.

Oh yeah, forgot about that, My Rady came with one of those adaptors, sorry.

Mark7 · Post by **Mark7** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:08 am

- Look for an overscan option in your videocard driver settings
- Try 720*480 (fullscreen opengl) in snes9x

Reznor007 · Post by **Reznor007** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:02 am

JFD62780 wrote:Actually, from my experience (long story ahead), there are 2 8-scanline-tall borders on the top and the bottom of the screen. I used to own a 1981 TV that had a control in the back that let you control how tall or short the scanlines were. I set it to just enough where all the scanlines were on the screen from edge to edge. Not an easy feat. I did this after I fiddled with the focus controls.

The NES had a few early games that took advantage, most notably Super Mario Brothers, which simply painted the background color beyond the normal screen boundaries (or overscan for you TV geeks). The fact was even vaguely mentioned in its instruction booklet, but it was there.

When I got my Super NES, I noticed those black bars, but I didn't mind them; they were part of its charm.

See? You got it from me; the black bars do exist (in fullscreen NTSC, at least), so who's to say that Darkfalz is incorrect? 640x480 sure acts native enough to me!

His code is wong though. It stretches the game to a wrong aspect ratio. Some games do have black borders, which are totally normal, however the actual game content should still be seen as 4:3. I think Darkfalz's code uses 8:7 or something. I provided several screenshot comparisons from a real SNES to ZSNES and ZSNES was wrong. MESS/MAME got it almost exactly like the real SNES though.

BanonX · Post by **BanonX** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:33 am

and I think what you are forgetting is that although darkfalzs aspect ratio looks odd on a PC monitor (where the top and bottom black is visible) on a TV it is not visible. Which is the point he has been trying to make all this time. If you stretch the perspective vertically until those black bars disappear, it would look identical to a real SNES display on a TV screen..
Problem is that I can't make my video card do that...

Reznor007 · Post by **Reznor007** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:50 pm

BanonX wrote:and I think what you are forgetting is that although darkfalzs aspect ratio looks odd on a PC monitor (where the top and bottom black is visible) on a TV it is not visible. Which is the point he has been trying to make all this time. If you stretch the perspective vertically until those black bars disappear, it would look identical to a real SNES display on a TV screen..
Problem is that I can't make my video card do that...

The black bars are visible though. I've used TV out on my 9600 and I still see the bars. A PC monitor and TV are the same aspect ratio

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:12 pm

I don't think many people have taken into consideration overscan.

JFD62780 · Post by **JFD62780** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:54 am

Reznor007 wrote:The black bars are visible though. I've used TV out on my 9600 and I still see the bars. A PC monitor and TV are the same aspect ratio

Only cause the freakin' card still chooses to shrink the f*&#%^ video output, so that you can see EVERYTHING... I HATE PC-to-TV adapters that don't appreciate the power of overscan. x.x

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