ubuntu 9.04 sound, or lack thereof

kick · Post by **kick** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:22 pm

"12. Bad security model: there's zero protection against keyboard keyloggers and against running malicious software (Linux is viruses free only due to its extremely low popularity)."

The biggest problem by far is there's no way to run an IP filtering app like PeerGuardian/MoBlock globally and the Linux iptables firewall at the same time.

If you integrate PeerGuardian (MoBlock) into iptables,you lose the basic firewall protection.You can't use both at the same time as in Windows. Major suckage.

The Iptables firewall is powerful, but does not offer per-application rules. Compared to a good firewall for Windows, iptables feels like swiss cheese.

When you use Linux, keyloggers,malware,spyware or any f**** program can send stuff over port 80 without your permission and you can't do anything about it...

kick · Post by **kick** » Fri May 22, 2009 6:32 pm

1.1 Insanely difficult to set up volume levels ... and in some situations even audio output.

WTF? I find the Gnome (Ubuntu) mixer easy to use and quite powerful. Even the commandline ALSA Mixer is user friendly. The mixer implementation in Windows 7 / Vista is what I really hate - downright terrible.

2.2 Very slow GUI (except when being run with composite window managers on top of OpenGL).

LOL. The author of this article should try a lightweight distro like Puppy Linux for a change. It runs like a rocket on a 500 MHz Athlon Classic

The GUI feels snappier than a tweaked Windows XP running on a 3GHz box.

2.5 No double buffering.

??? Most distros have this option enabled by default.

4. It should be possible to configure everything via GUI which is still not a case for too many situations and operations.

Ubuntu and Puppy are doing some great progress in this area.

kick · Post by **kick** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:34 pm

@sweener: Links updated (see first page)
A new (bugfixed) version of Puppy was released yesterday. Get that one

simbioz · Post by **simbioz** » Sun May 24, 2009 12:45 pm

I think being mainstream should not be the final goal of Linux (the OS). Linux is about freedom, freedom to build what you want, and how. Sometimes this freedom ends up in crappy or buggy software, sometimes in a killer app. Being mainstream or popular should be a consequence of a good design and implementation.
For example, Linux as a server OS is indeed mainstream in their targed market. From an application specific POV Apache is also a good example of successfulness.
OTOH, Linux as a Desktop OS has been unable to achieve the same quality as his brother the server OS.

But, is that something to worry about? Why so many people complain about x y z app/feature that belongs to the Linux desktop side of the force? Why are they even bothering with Linux in the first place?

Because there is clearly a need and a place for an alternative Desktop OS, that may be Linux, we do not know.

Most users should be doing fine buying a Windows [name your favourite version here] license or a Mac. Now, if you don't want or don't have the money to do so and decide to go OSS, remember you are getting it for free damn it, thanks you very much have a nice day.

Post by **Nach** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:47 pm

Free/Freedom, that's a good thing?

Please read this: http://www.promotinglinux.com/

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:35 pm

Nach wrote:Free/Freedom, that's a good thing?

Please read this: http://www.promotinglinux.com/

Agh.. not another one of these fanboy XXX sux YYY is better kind of deals ARRRRGH my brain hurts *facedesk*

on another note, Ubuntu is actually pretty easy to use (and probably lighter on the system when compared to kubuntu

).

Post by **Nach** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:44 pm

adventure_of_link wrote:
Nach wrote:Free/Freedom, that's a good thing?

Please read this: http://www.promotinglinux.com/
Agh.. not another one of these fanboy XXX sux YYY is better kind of deals ARRRRGH my brain hurts *facedesk*

If that's what the site did to you, you obviously didn't get it. The joke's on you.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:41 pm

Nach wrote:
adventure_of_link wrote:
Nach wrote:Free/Freedom, that's a good thing?

Please read this: http://www.promotinglinux.com/
Agh.. not another one of these fanboy XXX sux YYY is better kind of deals ARRRRGH my brain hurts *facedesk*
If that's what the site did to you, you obviously didn't get it. The joke's on you.

Satire is not AOL's forte.

simbioz · Post by **simbioz** » Sun May 24, 2009 10:32 pm

Usually I look for supported Linux HW before actually buying it, that way I ensure I will have little to no issues with it.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Thu May 28, 2009 5:53 am

my card is supposed to work wonderfully, that's the thing.

and i'm sure it would work wonderfully through the standard 3.5 mm jacks. but through coax, it's a mess.

Rashidi · Post by **Rashidi** » Thu May 28, 2009 1:42 pm

i believe linux dudes, should start something like WHQL

'LHQL Certified!', [size=0](ALSA Approved)[/size] hows that?

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Thu May 28, 2009 5:34 pm

Rashidi wrote:i believe linux dudes, should start something like WHQL

'LHQL Certified!', [size=0](ALSA Approved)[/size] hows that?

Naw, it should start with fixing wireless networking, and actually MAKE a standard that the companies would agree to. If you fix shit that doesn't have one or two reliable standards, you can start something worthwhile in terms of branding/marketing and do something MS has done with like DX for years... control the market.

gllt · Post by **gllt** » Thu May 28, 2009 7:27 pm

lets dump linux and bsd and just go to

.

plan 9/amigaOS/Haiku

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:59 am

PROGRESS!

i can get sound over coax if i'm watching a dvd in vlc. and my test tone in the sound control panel.

and that's it.

how in the world do i get sound everywhere? i'm on mint 7 x86. the card is an m-audio revolution 5.1, and i'm using the coax SPDIF out, as a refresher. it's doing it's thing through ALSA, 1.18-xxxx whatever mint 7 came with by default.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:58 pm

probably have to mute the SPDIF out, then unmute other random outputs in alsa-mixer.

thats assuming everything is using ALSA.

check the permissions on /dev/dsp.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:34 am

that's pretty gay that to use the spdif, i have to mute it. sounds, how to say, counterintuitive?

in other news songbird plays sound as well. firefox might be the red-headed stepchild here. although web music from songbird doesn't play, just actual tracks on the computer.

other than sound (and current printer sharing issues) i'm enjoying mint quite a bit.

i will try your suggestions out, when i have some more time that i feel like dedicating to making this work better.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:02 am

alsa is an odd bird.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:57 am

root and audio permissions are both read and write on /dev/dsp

other is blank, but i'm assuming that i don't need to change that.

i'll probably experiment with the muting and all that in a couple days.

something that bothers me is that pulseaudio doesn't seem to see the spdif part of my card. at least the iec958 or whatever it's called doesn't show up on pulse's hardware list.

someone should fix this situation.

it makes me sad that i've never been able to fully utlize this card. vista does sound different, but i can get stereo through the coax with no passthrough. in mint, it's the opposite, just lacking sound almost everywhere with the pass-through intact. and there aren't any win7 drivers yet, and vista's drivers don't install under 7.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:36 pm

You already should be in the audio group, but check anyway.

adept · Post by **adept** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:37 pm

sweener2001 wrote:...
something that bothers me is that pulseaudio

Code: Select all

sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio

also it's kinda interesting if this gives you any less problems -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound