A couple o' questions...

Jenia · Post by **Jenia** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:41 am

First of all,I must say all the translators are doing a wonderfull job

I bet they made thausands of people happy...
anyway here goes:

1.how come you put cursewords in your translations

do japanese people would really make RPG's with curses!?
2.are you sticking to the current projects you have (some of them look finished too,though it says there are still a few precents to fix...)
or are you planning on adding other games to the list in the future?

HalfShadow · Post by **HalfShadow** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:15 pm

Swearing isn't as big a thing in Japan as it is here, so it's not uncommon for games to have swearing in them. Of course, you also have to take into account the person who did the translating. Sometimes they make a few small changes for the sake of a better-sounding and more precise translation or sometimes just for a bit of fun. As long as the general idea of what the character is saying comes across clearly. Translating isn't a literal thing; they don't just change the words from Japanese to English, they change the words from Japanese to English and then find a way to make that sound right in English.

I think I have that right, anyway.

Louis Cypher · Post by **Louis Cypher** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:08 am

Yeah, that's about right. It's a lot harder to translate something so it sounds natural than it is just to go directly from Japanese to English. Babelfish is, admittedly, a rather extreme example of this, but even on a smaller level with some of the work I've personally done, I'm not at all happy with the writing in a lot of my work.

Jenia · Post by **Jenia** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:42 am

well,ever heard of...censoring

?
I know the curses aern't such a big thing in japan,but japanese people are reasonoble people...they won't put in curses just for fun.
and if I'm playing and suddenly a parent walks into the room and such...

Ichinisan · Post by **Ichinisan** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:43 am

Tell the "parents" to grow up.

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:21 am

Ichinisan is right. My parents don't pay attension to what I play so...yeah.

Edit - And parents should grow up about curse words because it's used a lot these days anyhow.

The Sage Of Time · Post by **The Sage Of Time** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:12 am

I never personally use such words. (Even the most mild of curses, er.. online at the very least.)
But they don't actually bother me.. And depending on the situation in a game, I would expect cursing.
I mean, really.. It's only natural to curse a little when the whole world starts falling apart.

frickendevil · Post by **frickendevil** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:26 am

1. There are also sometimes no literal translations, whihc may mean a bad work in jap, but has no correspondance, so the most suitable curse is inserted.

And sometimes its inevitable. Like in tales of phantasia, when they are on the ship, arche screaming clesses name, there is nothing else that really fits.

NoS Sr50 · Post by **NoS Sr50** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:19 pm

As long as you dont say it, why should they care.

Jenia · Post by **Jenia** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:57 pm

well...
Parents don't care if curses are all around,they won't like this

abou The tales of phantasia scene,that's not cursing.
Saying stuff like the F-word is

about cursing when the world is falling apart...
well <sigh> even if this world will crumble under my feet,I won't curse

Also,my second question has not been asnwered.

Post by **Agozer** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:21 pm

If you don't like the cursewords or sexual themes in the game, don't play it. DeJap wanted to be as close to the original script as possible.

HalfShadow · Post by **HalfShadow** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:22 pm

Jenia wrote:well...
Parents don't care if curses are all around,they won't like this
abou The tales of phantasia scene,that's not cursing.
Saying stuff like the F-word is
about cursing when the world is falling apart...
well <sigh> even if this world will crumble under my feet,I won't curse

Also,my second question has not been asnwered.

It's not my place to answer the second question, as I'm not a member of Dejap. Nor, I believe, was anyone else who answered.

Jenia · Post by **Jenia** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:08 am

Agozer wrote:If you don't like the cursewords or sexual themes in the game, don't play it. DeJap wanted to be as close to the original script as possible.

you'd play it even if you won't like it if you were in my situation

so,the only thing left to do is wait for a member of dejap to answer the second question... cos' I think I get the point

Post by **Nach** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:26 am

One thing I'd like to see, is a censored version for translation patches.

If you have a tool which automates text insertion, it shouldn't be a big deal to search+replace some text, reconstruct a sentence or two and insert it.

Cidolfas · Post by **Cidolfas** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:49 pm

They're not interested in doing that, for several reasons. You don't see movie DVDs with "censored versions", even though it'd be even easier to do. If that's what they decided the script would be, that's it. I have to say that I personally was uncomfortable with their decision, but once it'd made it's unfair to ask them to provide multiple versions to please absolutely everyone, especially since it's their opinion that the version they have is the one closest to the original.

The Sage Of Time · Post by **The Sage Of Time** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:16 pm

Jenia wrote:well...
well <sigh> even if this world will crumble under my feet,I won't curse

Perhaps you wouldn't, but I wasn't asking if you would, was I now?
It's human nature to curse a little, especially in a really bad situation, it just..
Seems strange to me when something horrible happens and the hero goes "Darn it!" with a string of emotional dialouge following there after..
I mean, Come on! ...Anyways, the "F-Word" as you put it, is just a word like any other..
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others do not say it.. And sometimes, it just fits the character\emotion\scene\whatever..

rage46 · Post by **rage46** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:40 pm

Their are different translations, but unfortunetly for you the best ones (At least the ones that go and make sense) have curse words. You don't need to have your parents watching over your shoulder when you play a game anyway.

If it annoys you enough I believe you can download a hexeditor and change the dialogue. (I Believe i could be wrong also.)

Post by **Agozer** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:47 pm

rage46 wrote: If it annoys you enough I believe you can download a hexeditor and change the dialogue. (I Believe i could be wrong also.)

It isn't that simple, you know.

rage46 · Post by **rage46** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:57 pm

And according to the he/she it isn't that simple to READ cuss words hence "IF it ANNOYS you ENOUGH you can download a hexeditor" they have to be willing to put some effort forth.

Newyawkripper · Post by **Newyawkripper** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:23 pm

Who cares about curses, most RPGs all have curses. Ever watch a Dragonball Z anime that hasnt been English Dubbed? They curse more than a french sailor lost at sea, and its A CARTOON.....The Japanese society is more accepting of curses, and alot of other things..err...except nudity, they hate that.

and as for dejapa dding future games, I just gotta say Gimme some Fire Emblems and Last Bible 3

rage46 · Post by **rage46** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:30 pm

Ya they will not tolerate any skin being shown in their society.

As for the DBZ series it was fun to watch by yourself but embarrassing if someone else was in the room (Horrible scripts).

Starman Ghost · Post by **Starman Ghost** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:40 pm

Newyawkripper wrote:...except nudity, they hate that.

The japanese have nudity in everything. It's just the genitals are not allowed to be shown.

Newyawkripper · Post by **Newyawkripper** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:47 pm

Yeah, thats what I meant...They are anti penis and vagina.

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:43 pm

I think we here in the US are much more anal about censoring nudity/penis/vagina, the whole works moreso than Japan.

I hate that.. I like how Europe and other cultures are much more open anc comfortable with sexuality and nudity.

rage46 · Post by **rage46** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:45 pm

You can thank those idiot hippies of the 60's for what happens now