Apple iPhone

that looks fucking awesome. however I ain't walking around with a $600 piece of equipment in my pocket. I wouldn't even pay $600 for the best gaming console ever created!!

funny thing they show my phone as the blackberry under "buttons and controls can't change," but my phone has a roller ball and yours doesn't so eat shit and die apple!

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:06 am

Got a Pearl? How do you like it?

PHoNyMiKe · Post by **PHoNyMiKe** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:41 am

I like it a lot. cons: no gps, can't view videos on websites.

even though I hate apple and wish it would just die off, I do give it credit for doing everything they do. they made the gui, and billy stole it and made windows. now that microshaft came out with a competitor to the ipod (how many years later?) apple sticks it up bill's ass by showing a kickass phone everybody wants. I wonder how long it will take microshaft to come out with their version of the phone.

actually they already got phones running windows, so ms has their share on the software side. they pry won't bother with hardware, they already got something apple doesn't have... the xbox

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:44 am

can it play my audio filez lol

phOnYmIkE wrote:[apple] made the gui

Actually they got that from Xerox' Palo Alto research and marketed it.

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:48 am

It looks very nice, but the cost is a tad too high for me.

ReRuss · Post by **ReRuss** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:58 am

WIth a phone lik ethi syou'd really need the insurance... then if somethin happens... new phone

I always done this with my phones , but never had to use insurance yet

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:12 pm

I don't like Apple's monopoly on digital music formats and ipods, but I must say they do know how to make appealing stylish devices. They have a heck of a concept design team.

LobStar · Post by **LobStar** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:17 pm

Oh... my... god... apple steals ANOTHER idea from the open source guys and STILL charges a boat load of cash for it...

http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
Cheaper, Cooler, Unlocked, More Powerful, Open Source...

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:23 pm

Well, it uses cingular phone service.

How good/bad is it? I've been wanting to use it.

MisterJones · Post by **MisterJones** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:01 pm

LobStar wrote:Oh... my... god... apple steals ANOTHER idea from the open source guys and STILL charges a boat load of cash for it...
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html

Whoah there, that was a cheap move by apple. However...

LobStar wrote: Cheaper,

I don't see prices stated anywhere, though I presume it will be below iPhone's costs

LobStar wrote: Cooler,

Wrong

LobStar wrote: Unlocked,

"unlocked" as in?

LobStar wrote: More Powerful,

Debatable

LobStar wrote: Open Source

Who cares at this moment?

LobStar · Post by **LobStar** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:23 pm

MisterJones wrote:
LobStar wrote:Oh... my... god... apple steals ANOTHER idea from the open source guys and STILL charges a boat load of cash for it...
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
Whoah there, that was a cheap move by apple. However...

LobStar wrote: Cheaper,
I don't see prices stated anywhere, though I presume it will be below iPhone's costs

LobStar wrote: Cooler,
Wrong

LobStar wrote: Unlocked,
"unlocked" as in?

LobStar wrote: More Powerful,
Debatable

LobStar wrote: Open Source
Who cares at this moment?

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35590 <--- $350 price point for open moko, 500 for iphone

cooler in the fact it can run ANY linux application, be it emulator, firefox, etc, all with the power of apt. Has both USB host and device mode.

Unlocked as in any GSM carrier will work with it, not just cingular, advantage for those hating cingular or traveling around the world.

I will give you more power is debatable, but only from a cpu execution speed side of things since apple wont announce any information on the phone's innards

Open source is a reason to care about it because it means anyone can develop for it. Imagine using this as a TV remote, or kitchen timer, bit torrenting over your phone

, plus any problems found are quickly remedied by anyone willing to help rather than paying for a phone company to patch your phones OS for you every time.

Edit: I was informed you can patch the phone over itunes... iTunes is not cross platform, you need windows or os x to use it, it effectively means linux users cant update their phone! Locking people out of security updates is really cool in todays world!

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:47 pm

Nobody gives a fuck about a phone that runs linux and flaunts it, because in flaunting it, they open themselves up to serious support issues - like what happens when someone wants to use KDE and the phone starts running like shit, or someone complies a kernel without the proper modules and it stops working.

Does it even have an option for changing its orintation, you simply tilt the iPhone.

the simple fact is this: no opensource project will have as useful an interface as the iPhone will, simply because no one dealing with opensource UI gives a damn beyond immitating windows and adding some bells, and this all has been precedded by the Treo - so its not exactly like the openmoto is original by itself.

Hell, linksys owns the trademark for iPhone, so I wouldn't be surprised the iPhone has been in development for more than two year, the fact that it seems that Apple and Linksys are close on a deal is the reason for the announcement now, and not earlier.

LobStar · Post by **LobStar** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:09 pm

funkyass wrote:Nobody gives a fuck about a phone that runs linux and flaunts it, because in flaunting it, they open themselves up to serious support issues - like what happens when someone wants to use KDE and the phone starts running like shit, or someone complies a kernel without the proper modules and it stops working.

Does it even have an option for changing its orintation, you simply tilt the iPhone.

the simple fact is this: no opensource project will have as useful an interface as the iPhone will, simply because no one dealing with opensource UI gives a damn beyond immitating windows and adding some bells, and this all has been precedded by the Treo - so its not exactly like the openmoto is original by itself.

Hell, linksys owns the trademark for iPhone, so I wouldn't be surprised the iPhone has been in development for more than two year, the fact that it seems that Apple and Linksys are close on a deal is the reason for the announcement now, and not earlier.

Their fault if they want kde, it runs matchbox out of the box, they should stick to that if they want the optimal experience. Like any other display driver in linux you can rotate your display just fine, you may have to push a button for it since it doesnt have a tilt sensor, but one could also argue what if the tilt sensor gets stuck. If you dont like the interface you cna make your own, if you look at the pics, the interface looks nothing like windows.

DataPath · Post by **DataPath** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:09 pm

You incorrectly assume that "linux guys" are the only ones who develop devices with linux.

Motorola yesterday at CES, it announced its first actual MotoFone model, the MotoRizr Z6 slider-style Linux/Java music phone, expected to ship in the first half of 2007.

Linksys has routers with linux embedded in them.

The Nokia N800 Internet Appliance looks awesome. I'm totally getting one.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:17 pm

Bravia LCD Tv's come with GPL licence, it doesn't mean running linux is its main selling point.

Linux currently works best when you don't even know its there, and thats true of all the successful embeded devices that use them.

Polish counts. OpenMoko looks like it was based around a stylus more like one for a PDA, the iPhone doesn't. Which would you buy?

LobStar · Post by **LobStar** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:28 pm

Id rather buy something I know is reliable than rely on a product that has a key feature of:
"Works like magic"

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:34 pm

LobStar wrote:Id rather buy something I know is reliable than rely on a product that has a key feature of:
"Works like magic"

Knowing how something works invariblly leads to its destruction - because you assume you know how to fix it.

Don't be surprised if the OpenMoko goes nowhere.

AntoineWG · Post by **AntoineWG** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:35 pm

Oh my God. Apple has invented the PS3 of cell phones. Things like it's 1337 factor, power (compared to other phones/PDA's/MP3 players) and marketshare will be hotly debated long after it's released. Way to go Apple.