Well, currently I'm running a P.O.S. $400 walmart junker with a 3 year old 256mb GeForce 7300 GT, the card has been good to me over the years, actually run HL2 on full settings holdin 45 - 50 fps, but new games such as Crysis, and the rumored Battlefield 3 are coming out, SOOO I thought of building a new computer, just wanted to see what you guys thought. Any tips and/or opinions are welcome just don't start flaming please.
Current PC set up is: 160g Sata-150 hard drive, 1gb DDR2 ram(2x 512), Athalon 64x2 dual core 1.9ghz, PNY brand GeForce 7300 GT 256mb. Don't know the motherboard brand but it sucks. small board w/ 2 PCI one PCI-e
Links to the items are being supplied.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=1558
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT over clocked, 512mb RAM - 2 of em for SLI
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=2458
Seagate Barricuda 250g hard drive Sata-300, 7200 RPM, 16mb buffer
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=2533
GameXstream Power supply, 700 watt, sata & SLI ready
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =A107-1050
Apevia Black X-cruiser computer case
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =B550-1004
Bigfoot's K1 Killer gigabit LAN card
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... 680ILT-925
Nforce 680i Mother board bundled with a Intel Pentuim D 3.0
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... No=2643933
Intel Core 2 Quad core, 2.4ghz, 8mb buffer, 1066mhz FSB
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=3361
CRUICIAL 2048mb PC8500 DDR3 1066mhz RAM (one stick to start with)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=2318
HANS-G LCD Monitor 17" 2ms 1280 x 1024 w/ DVI output
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =M333-3003
ZEROtherm Socket 775 Copper CPU Cooler
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =S203-8508
Samsung SATA Lightscribe DVD±R drive
along with a couple sata cables to connect things together, I'm also going to look into some form of liquid cooling.
My price is over what I was originally planning to pay, so I'm not going to pay much more, but I am open to suggestions... within reason of course.
So I'm thinking of building this new pc..
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Astoroth88
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1. Don't buy the KillerNIC. Waste of cash. Use onboard PCI-E Gigabit LAN.
2. You probably don't need the extra Pentium D with the motherboard. Get a better motherboard with the saved cash. (i.e. proper 680i and not LT)
3. DDR3 is a waste of cash when DDR2 is SO cheap right now. DDR3 remains in the realm of ultra-enthusiast for now. Get 4GB of DDR2-800 or something.
4. nForce 680i doesn't support DDR3 anyway.
5. Get a bigger hard drive. Try 500GB.
6. Get a better monitor. For a bit extra you can get something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824112007
Sli with a 19" LCD? Very silly.
2. You probably don't need the extra Pentium D with the motherboard. Get a better motherboard with the saved cash. (i.e. proper 680i and not LT)
3. DDR3 is a waste of cash when DDR2 is SO cheap right now. DDR3 remains in the realm of ultra-enthusiast for now. Get 4GB of DDR2-800 or something.
4. nForce 680i doesn't support DDR3 anyway.
5. Get a bigger hard drive. Try 500GB.
6. Get a better monitor. For a bit extra you can get something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824112007
Sli with a 19" LCD? Very silly.
Get a motherboard that has an FSB matching your ram.
Otherwise it's wasted money.
And don't DDR3 ram sticks, especially larger ones, have lower timings that negate the performance increase from the frequency boost when compared to DDR2? Or have they gotten past that in the last few weeks or so?
Also, that motherboard has FOUR ram slots. So why are you buying a single (expensive-ass) 2 gig stick? Two one gig sticks in dual-channel mode would be better, price-wise and performance wise, at least as far as I know, especially since DDr2 can acheive that frequency as well.
I'm guessing from the alternating black-white color of the ram slots that motherboard supports dual-channel. That, and spending that much on a single 2 gig stick when you have four slots... please don't.
You planning on overclocking, or is the non-stock cooler because you like attention to detail?
I can't seem to find any charts comparing two of the G92 GTS's in SLI... oh well. The GT will be good as well.
Otherwise it's wasted money.
And don't DDR3 ram sticks, especially larger ones, have lower timings that negate the performance increase from the frequency boost when compared to DDR2? Or have they gotten past that in the last few weeks or so?
Also, that motherboard has FOUR ram slots. So why are you buying a single (expensive-ass) 2 gig stick? Two one gig sticks in dual-channel mode would be better, price-wise and performance wise, at least as far as I know, especially since DDr2 can acheive that frequency as well.
I'm guessing from the alternating black-white color of the ram slots that motherboard supports dual-channel. That, and spending that much on a single 2 gig stick when you have four slots... please don't.
You planning on overclocking, or is the non-stock cooler because you like attention to detail?
I can't seem to find any charts comparing two of the G92 GTS's in SLI... oh well. The GT will be good as well.
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765MB DDR-333
AGP Geforce 6200
Took me, what, a year to update this info?
And meh, screw legs.
Oh... puns. I get it. Shame on me.
765MB DDR-333
AGP Geforce 6200
Took me, what, a year to update this info?
And meh, screw legs.
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Do yourself a favor and just get the video card and power supply first.
Also, if you're currently using DDR2 memory, then you've got an AM2 processor and, assuming that the board manufacturer has updated the BIOS at all in the past year or so, will accept any newer, higher-end chip as a drop-in replacement. While there currently aren't any AMD chips that will match Intel's best, it might not be a bad idea to explore this option before completely tossing your old hardware.
By the way, don't assume that a motherboard with only 3 slots automatically sucks; there are some very nice microATX boards out there. (The fact that it's in a $400 Wal-Mart box means it probably does, though - however, since the memory controller in a modern AMD processor is in the CPU anyway, there's minimal performance difference between most K8 boards at stock speeds.)
Another question - why are you wasting money on a third-party cooler when you're planning on going with liquid cooling anyway? Save $10 and just go with the retail-boxed chip; the stock Intel fan will be fine for the time being.
On the other hand, I really don't recommend going with liquid cooling anyway, unless you're well experienced with building machines. No disrespect intended, but your list indicates that you don't fall into that category yet.
What were you willing to pay, anyway? You might get some component recommendations that fit quite nicely into that budget.
Also, if you're currently using DDR2 memory, then you've got an AM2 processor and, assuming that the board manufacturer has updated the BIOS at all in the past year or so, will accept any newer, higher-end chip as a drop-in replacement. While there currently aren't any AMD chips that will match Intel's best, it might not be a bad idea to explore this option before completely tossing your old hardware.
By the way, don't assume that a motherboard with only 3 slots automatically sucks; there are some very nice microATX boards out there. (The fact that it's in a $400 Wal-Mart box means it probably does, though - however, since the memory controller in a modern AMD processor is in the CPU anyway, there's minimal performance difference between most K8 boards at stock speeds.)
Another question - why are you wasting money on a third-party cooler when you're planning on going with liquid cooling anyway? Save $10 and just go with the retail-boxed chip; the stock Intel fan will be fine for the time being.
On the other hand, I really don't recommend going with liquid cooling anyway, unless you're well experienced with building machines. No disrespect intended, but your list indicates that you don't fall into that category yet.
What were you willing to pay, anyway? You might get some component recommendations that fit quite nicely into that budget.
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Well, I'm not going to sit here and tell you guys that I'm some super nerd expert with computers, I'm good but I'm no expert. I will make mistakes, there's no avoiding that.
well, I assumed that the faster speed of DDR3 would make it better, shame on me apparently. As for that monitor, I think I'll go with this one:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=1410
Ram, how bout 2 sets of these then: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... u=C13-2022
as for a motherboard, not to sure on that but this is another one:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=1533
I took out the K1 Killer, I thought it would be worth it with the so-called Latency reduction.
I'm content with the 250 gig hard drive, unless there is another reason other than space involved with the 500 gig? I have a 160 gig as of now and I have 78% free space left, so I don't use that much space.
The motherboard I have is too small for my taste, I'm just going to give it to my brothers as a hand me down. Don't get me wrong, this current computer does itself justice for how much I paid for it, it's just that with the newer games coming out it won't be able to stand up to them.
My original Price I was planning on was somewhere near $1,500 but with the new parts it was $2,100. My new list of parts I listed it's...$1,932.48 mind you that I'm adding taxes, and S&H with both of these prices.
well, I assumed that the faster speed of DDR3 would make it better, shame on me apparently. As for that monitor, I think I'll go with this one:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=1410
Ram, how bout 2 sets of these then: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... u=C13-2022
as for a motherboard, not to sure on that but this is another one:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=1533
I took out the K1 Killer, I thought it would be worth it with the so-called Latency reduction.
I'm content with the 250 gig hard drive, unless there is another reason other than space involved with the 500 gig? I have a 160 gig as of now and I have 78% free space left, so I don't use that much space.
The motherboard I have is too small for my taste, I'm just going to give it to my brothers as a hand me down. Don't get me wrong, this current computer does itself justice for how much I paid for it, it's just that with the newer games coming out it won't be able to stand up to them.
My original Price I was planning on was somewhere near $1,500 but with the new parts it was $2,100. My new list of parts I listed it's...$1,932.48 mind you that I'm adding taxes, and S&H with both of these prices.
I'll explain why DDR3 is useless for the moment.Astoroth88 wrote:Well, I'm not going to sit here and tell you guys that I'm some super nerd expert with computers, I'm good but I'm no expert. I will make mistakes, there's no avoiding that.
well, I assumed that the faster speed of DDR3 would make it better, shame on me apparently.
You see, the clock speed of the RAM is tied into the clock speed of the FSB. A CPUs' clock speed is also tied into the FSB, but it uses a multiplier to run at higher speeds. For example, a CPU running at one ghz could have an FSB speed of 100 MHZ, and have a multipler of 10X. That's an extreme example, and somewhat oversimplified, but it works.
The RAM cannot run any faster than the FSB, and slower ram will actually downclock the FSB, unless you have a motherboard that can dual-channel the RAM(All current and 99% of outdated motherboards from the last five years support this). Dual-channeled RAM is when two sticks of ram that are running at the same clock speed and have the same size are counted as one(This is a huge oversimplification. If you want more info, ask or look at wikipedia/google). This doubles the available bandwidth produced by the RAM.
The current crop of CPUs do not have a fast enough FSB speed to make DDR3's higher clock speeds matter, unless you want to overclock(I'm sure you've heard of this. if not, ask/google), or only use one stick. DDR2 is fast enough for almost all cases of the above, however, and costs much less.
Motherboards cannot run both types of RAM in the same slot, due to physical differences(Among them, DDR3 has a lower voltage than DDR2.), and only two or three motherboards have slots of both types.
As for the PSU, you'll want to get another one. High wattage does not equal quality. Back in the day, it was a good way to indicate what PSUs were good or not, but that's no longer true as even shit manufacturers can pull off 800 watt PSUs now. Instead, get this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817371007 or this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817139004 or this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151027
All three are very good PSUs that support two PCI-E 6 pin connectors. They're also rather quiet, and have been all stress tested to ensure they deliver good power with excellent efficiency.
As for how many watts a PSU needs... You don't need that many, even with an SLI setup. The, for example, 130w TDP numbers you see on the various video cards/CPUs is the maximum amount of power it can run, and that's only if you wring every single little bit of processing speed out of it, and that is so rare it's not funny. Here's a list of systems and what they actually draw: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page4.html
Now, SLI adds a fair bit of power draw to the mix, but not that much. All the PSUs I linked you to will easily handle the added draw, plus a quad core overclocked like crazy and five HDs.
As for your CPU, DO NOT GET A PENTIUM D. It's a slightly modified late model Pentium 4, and those are no longer enough if you're going to be running the types of games an 8800 GT SLI setup will handle. Get a Core 2 Duo or Quad instead. In a week or two, Intel is going to release several new Core 2 models, priced pretty cheap, no less. I suggest waiting a week or two, it's not long and you'll get anywhere from 5-25% speed increase on average.
Edit: I apologize, I didn't see you had already selected a Core 2 CPU. I'd still go with the new Core 2 Duos coming out, however. Only a few apps use all four threads, and only one or two games use more than one(Supreme Commander being the most notable example). By the time four threads are in serious use(Years from now), most of the apps using them will probably be a bit too slow anyway. If you need all four threads, however, disregard this paragraph. There are uses(3D modeling, AV encoding/mastering.) for four threads.
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Me and my friend were going over benchmarks of processors, and found that the core 2 quads aren't very stable, and actually perform less than the core 2 quads, or even a good Pentium D. I've chosen this Core 2 duo:http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... No=3241551
No, no no no no no no no. Quadcore Core 2s are not anything like that! The data you read is wrong. Here's a review of the fastest(Or second fastest) Quad core available: http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13470
BTW, it's using the new core the upcoming Core 2 duos and the new quads will use. However, it costs an arm and a leg(and another leg and another arm...), so I'm only using it as an example.
BTW, I would shop at www.newegg.com Some things are more expensive, but the site is far more reliable than Tigerdirect.
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Well, I'm a cheap bastard as X-Play would describe 
I might buy a cheap Quad core, but if I'm feeling to cheap I'll just get the 2.66ghz C2D.
It's going to be nice actually having 4 gigs of ram, this way vista won't ass rape my RAM usage, right now I have 1g and it WAS using 610megs on average. I disabled a lot of useless crap but I'm still using 480 idle on desktop. It's crazy how much it uses for stupid features that no1 really needs, I think it was just a ploy by good ol' microsoft to get people to buy more RAM. Don't get me wrong Vista is a decent OS BUT it uses too much RAM for pointless features like AERO. Here's to hoping SP1 will shape it up to not use that much RAM and to make it faster.
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I think that microsoft should consider releasing a gamer's version of Window's, that'd be awesome.
I might buy a cheap Quad core, but if I'm feeling to cheap I'll just get the 2.66ghz C2D.
It's going to be nice actually having 4 gigs of ram, this way vista won't ass rape my RAM usage, right now I have 1g and it WAS using 610megs on average. I disabled a lot of useless crap but I'm still using 480 idle on desktop. It's crazy how much it uses for stupid features that no1 really needs, I think it was just a ploy by good ol' microsoft to get people to buy more RAM. Don't get me wrong Vista is a decent OS BUT it uses too much RAM for pointless features like AERO. Here's to hoping SP1 will shape it up to not use that much RAM and to make it faster.
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I think that microsoft should consider releasing a gamer's version of Window's, that'd be awesome.
Get the cheapest G0 stepping quad (Q6600) and overclock to at least 3.0GHz. With the hardware you have chosen so far, it'll be a complete breeze.
You are now all set for any game for quite a long while. I would probably not get a dual right now when the G0 Q6600 are so cheap (comparable to various CPUs in the C2D E6xxx line in price, such as E6600 and above), unless you are going mega-cheap by overclocking the E2xxx series or something.
You are now all set for any game for quite a long while. I would probably not get a dual right now when the G0 Q6600 are so cheap (comparable to various CPUs in the C2D E6xxx line in price, such as E6600 and above), unless you are going mega-cheap by overclocking the E2xxx series or something.
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Gil_Hamilton
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Ummm.... MS doesn't sell RAM. They have no vested interest in hardware sales.Astoroth88 wrote: It's going to be nice actually having 4 gigs of ram, this way vista won't ass rape my RAM usage, right now I have 1g and it WAS using 610megs on average. I disabled a lot of useless crap but I'm still using 480 idle on desktop. It's crazy how much it uses for stupid features that no1 really needs, I think it was just a ploy by good ol' microsoft to get people to buy more RAM.
They just press the upper end of hardware with every release(either due to additional features or sloppy coding), and have since Windows 1.
I wasn't too clear, sorry. I was referring to the particular parts you selected when I said newegg has some higher prices. Usually it's one of the lowest if not the lowest you can find. I'm sure you'll find some better prices there.Astoroth88 wrote:Well, I'm a cheap bastard as X-Play would describe
I might buy a cheap Quad core, but if I'm feeling to cheap I'll just get the 2.66ghz C2D.
It's going to be nice actually having 4 gigs of ram, this way vista won't ass rape my RAM usage, right now I have 1g and it WAS using 610megs on average. I disabled a lot of useless crap but I'm still using 480 idle on desktop. It's crazy how much it uses for stupid features that no1 really needs, I think it was just a ploy by good ol' microsoft to get people to buy more RAM. Don't get me wrong Vista is a decent OS BUT it uses too much RAM for pointless features like AERO. Here's to hoping SP1 will shape it up to not use that much RAM and to make it faster.
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I think that microsoft should consider releasing a gamer's version of Window's, that'd be awesome.
Another thing is that Tigerdirect tends to include the amount the rebate will take off in the price. a lot of their things actually cost more not counting rebates, which newegg has in abundance as well.
I.S.T.: Really? 'Cause every listed price I see on newegg is before rebates. It shows the actual price you pay in bigger black letters, and then in green beneath it, shows it's whatever after a whatever rebate.
$319.99
($279.99 after $40.00 Mail-In Rebate)
Just grabbed that off <this monitor> as I was typing this, and that's the price listed as it's displayed in the "current deals" section, where things are arranged in a grid/matrix when you first select a category.
However, if you were going for the list view, like search results...
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08033/rebate607.png
Doesn't look like newegg follows what you say tigerdirect does at all.
$319.99
($279.99 after $40.00 Mail-In Rebate)
Just grabbed that off <this monitor> as I was typing this, and that's the price listed as it's displayed in the "current deals" section, where things are arranged in a grid/matrix when you first select a category.
However, if you were going for the list view, like search results...
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08033/rebate607.png
Doesn't look like newegg follows what you say tigerdirect does at all.
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Took me, what, a year to update this info?
And meh, screw legs.
Oh... puns. I get it. Shame on me.
765MB DDR-333
AGP Geforce 6200
Took me, what, a year to update this info?
And meh, screw legs.
Oh... puns. I get it. Shame on me.
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ok first off I refuse to buy off a site such as xs123, that just sounds like a scam site, I don't trust it. I'll stick to newegg.com and TD I know they're safe and secure, I won't be putting my CC info into xs123 I mean cmon xs123 for a site name, that's usually what sites that give you trojan's use.Rydian wrote:I.S.T.: Really? 'Cause every listed price I see on newegg is before rebates. It shows the actual price you pay in bigger black letters, and then in green beneath it, shows it's whatever after a whatever rebate.
$319.99
($279.99 after $40.00 Mail-In Rebate)
Just grabbed that off <this monitor> as I was typing this, and that's the price listed as it's displayed in the "current deals" section, where things are arranged in a grid/matrix when you first select a category.
However, if you were going for the list view, like search results...
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08033/rebate607.png
Doesn't look like newegg follows what you say tigerdirect does at all.
secondly.
If you actually read my post then you'd see that I said I disabled alot of useless crap, Aero falls top o' the list. I merely stated Aero again for an example, thank you for the concern thoughRydian wrote:... then disable aero.
What i meant when I said microsoft was forcing people to buy more RAM was that they do push people into the higher end of hardware, as gil stated. Kinda like you scratch my back i'll scratch yours with other companies.
As for the C2Q the Q6600 is the one I originally chose to purchase originally.
Thanks for the info I.S.T, I'll look into www.newegg.com here in a few.
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Uh... That was my point. Tigerdirect tries to fool people by putting the actual price underneath the price that has the rebate tacked on, newegg doesn't.Rydian wrote:I.S.T.: Really? 'Cause every listed price I see on newegg is before rebates. It shows the actual price you pay in bigger black letters, and then in green beneath it, shows it's whatever after a whatever rebate.
$319.99
($279.99 after $40.00 Mail-In Rebate)
Just grabbed that off <this monitor> as I was typing this, and that's the price listed as it's displayed in the "current deals" section, where things are arranged in a grid/matrix when you first select a category.
However, if you were going for the list view, like search results...
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08033/rebate607.png
Doesn't look like newegg follows what you say tigerdirect does at all.
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I don't think they really care.Astoroth88 wrote: What i meant when I said microsoft was forcing people to buy more RAM was that they do push people into the higher end of hardware, as gil stated. Kinda like you scratch my back i'll scratch yours with other companies.
They just assume that whatever's top-end now will be common in a year. It's not a bad assumption.
But like I said, this goes back to the early 90s. WELL before the modern PC arms race got started.
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[/quote]Uh... That was my point. Tigerdirect tries to fool people by putting the actual price underneath the price that has the rebate tacked on, newegg doesn't.[/quote]
That's why you pay attention to details
I took a look at Newegg, they do seem to be cheaper, i'm going to make a list of the same parts but price them at Newegg and compare to the list from tigerdirect
That's why you pay attention to details
I took a look at Newegg, they do seem to be cheaper, i'm going to make a list of the same parts but price them at Newegg and compare to the list from tigerdirect
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you are not that bright.Astoroth88 wrote: ok first off I refuse to buy off a site such as xs123, that just sounds like a scam site, I don't trust it. I'll stick to newegg.com and TD, I know they're safe and secure, I won't be putting my CC info into xs123, i mean cmon xs123 for a site name? that's usually what sites that give you trojan's use.
that link is to a picture file only, not a product page. it's a screen grab off of newegg, even. simply hosted at xs123.xs.to
EDIT:for grammar
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You'll find them probably for around the same price/a little lower, with the exception of the motherboard. it's a lot higher for some reason(I checked it myself.).Astoroth88 wrote:That's why you pay attention to detailsUh... That was my point. Tigerdirect tries to fool people by putting the actual price underneath the price that has the rebate tacked on, newegg doesn't.
I took a look at Newegg, they do seem to be cheaper, i'm going to make a list of the same parts but price them at Newegg and compare to the list from tigerdirect
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sweener2001 wrote: you are not that bright.
that link is to a picture file only, not a product page. it's a screen grab off of newegg, even. simply hosted at xs123.xs.to
EDIT:for grammar
Well, I apologize for making a mistake, there happens to be alot of sites with similiar names I've come across that are run by scam artists. Next time don't assume I'm not intelligent just because I made a simple mistake, I happen to have a nasty cold at the moment so I'm not exactly at full thinking capacity. I'd appreciate a little lineance, every one makes a mistake sweener. Also, if you're only going to post to argue, don't bother looking at my posts unless you're actually going to contribute, but if you're going to pick out fights, please just refrain from clicking post reply, thank you.
@ I.S.T.
That's a bit odd that a motherboard is more expensive whereas the video cards are cheaper. generally video cards are more expensive than the motherboard. Am I the only one that finds that a little off?
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680i is high end. Here's a good middle end: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131142